P&W gear manufacturers

[odontophobia]

God help me (that wasn't intentional), I'm going to necrobump this thread, just to point out that there is a difference between a Christian company that exploits Christianity, or more likely their involvement in this-or-that megachurch, for personal gain, and a decent pedal company that happens to be run by a Christian, or even a company that is explicitly Christian, but does not exploit that for gain (this was stated in different words elsewhere in the thread).

From my interview with Hungry Robot pedals founder Eric Junge (see his remarks in context here):

With a fast-growing subset of the pedal market being comprised of worship leaders and guitarists, it would be quite convenient to make it abundantly clear that I am a fellow Christian operating a pedal company. However, since I started Hungry Robot Pedals, I have felt the conviction that using my faith as a marketing strategy would be exploiting my faith for my own personal profit.

Disclaimer, I am in no way making a blanket statement on Christian-run companies! Just a personal conviction. There are certainly some awesome, openly Christian companies out there that I whole-heartedly know aren’t using their faith in an exploiting manner.

Hungry Robot makes great shit, and I consider myself somewhat of an evangelist (intended) for their products.

So I would say that you should use this thread, if at all, with extreme caution. Many Christian pedal builders are aware of the reputation that their community has and are actively seeking to avoid the same lazy creative and business strategies. Bad business is bad business and good business is good business, and frankly, I add my voice to those were/are a little icked out.

Man. I posted this in the Caroline Meteore thread but figured I'd just quote myself here. Not knocking Hungry Robot. Maybe the guy makes the tastiest pedals in the world but the quote you used is basically paralipsis.

[crochambeau]

I don't know what all the fuss is about, Pratt & Whitney made some fantastic gear. Have you ogled the R-1830 Twin Wasp? FUCKING MAYHEM

[hbombgraphics]

What does P&W mean?

"Praise and worship," as any musician/builder who is associated with or attends a church has come to be known.
If a company has a reputation for bad service, that's one thing, but this feels icky.

yeah this thread kinda sucks, hesitant to post at all because I don't want to extend it.

I don't think I have ever purchased a pedal or not purchased a pedal because of someone's views on political/religious issues.
Crappy customer service is another thing.

Also: not sure how this thread is any better than Christians throwing fits about starbucks last week.

[Faldoe]

I always wanted to make the most sweet overdrive that TGP would lust after but call if the Christ Nail Driver or something like that with the Passion of the Christ as the graphic or something offensive that would cause such conflict for perspective buyers. So immature yet so lol inducing for me. I love it.

Isn't that basically the Fuck?

The Fuck OD isn't offensive in terms of graphics.

[casecandy]

I always wanted to make the most sweet overdrive that TGP would lust after but call if the Christ Nail Driver or something like that with the Passion of the Christ as the graphic or something offensive that would cause such conflict for perspective buyers. So immature yet so lol inducing for me. I love it.

Isn't that basically the Fuck?

The Fuck OD isn't offensive in terms of graphics.

A better example would be the Fuzzrocious Demon and Broke Dick Peanut Gallery pedals.

They actually offer an option where Shannon will change the art if you don't "vibe" with it.

[D.o.S.]

but will Ryan change the wiring so that the pedals actually work?

[casecandy]

but will Ryan change the wiring so that the pedals actually work?

Do they have a habit of not working? Never actually played one.

[hbombgraphics]

I always wanted to make the most sweet overdrive that TGP would lust after but call if the Christ Nail Driver or something like that with the Passion of the Christ as the graphic or something offensive that would cause such conflict for perspective buyers. So immature yet so lol inducing for me. I love it.

Isn't that basically the Fuck?

The Fuck OD isn't offensive in terms of graphics.

A better example would be the Fuzzrocious Demon and Broke Dick Peanut Gallery pedals.

They actually offer an option where Shannon will change the art if you don't "vibe" with it.

That's a pretty cool deal....

Changing art for me isn't about not offending christians, it's about my six year old learning to read and saying "daddy, what's a lil bastard?"

Most of the "vulgar" pedals are pretty funny
but there have been a few that I have re-painted or taped over because my kids like to play with stuff and there are some things your kids shouldn't have to learn from a pedal graphic.

[casecandy]

They let their kids paint them, too. Pretty cool!

Rock and roll family, love it.

But when you think of it, a lot of cheap Chinese pedals are probably "kidpainted."

[odontophobia]

They let their kids paint them, too. Pretty cool!

Rock and roll family, love it.

But when you think of it, a lot of cheap Chinese pedals are probably "kidpainted."

[Dungus]

What does P&W mean?

"Praise and worship," as any musician/builder who is associated with or attends a church has come to be known.
If a company has a reputation for bad service, that's one thing, but this feels icky.

yeah this thread kinda sucks, hesitant to post at all because I don't want to extend it.

I don't think I have ever purchased a pedal or not purchased a pedal because of someone's views on political/religious issues.
Crappy customer service is another thing.

Also: not sure how this thread is any better than Christians throwing fits about starbucks last week.

It's not just views though. The owner of JHS has ties to the International House of Prayer, a founder of which lobbied for the Ugandan "kill the gays" bill. I'm not going to insult or mock anyone, but I'm not giving my precious pedal money to religious pedal people either. Just in case.

[D.o.S.]

but will Ryan change the wiring so that the pedals actually work?

Do they have a habit of not working? Never actually played one.

considering the most recent Fuzzrocious pedal I bought new was in 2010, there's a very massive possibility that dude has made leaps and bounds to his guts work, but I'm not sure I would buy another pedal from the company -- even though I think Ryan and Shannon are great people (they were still sans-kid the last time I talked to either) with a really nice tonal aesthetic.

[casecandy]

Well, I think it's worth checking the companies out on a case by case basis.

[Chankgeez]

but will Ryan change the wiring so that the pedals actually work?

Oh, snap.

[odontophobia]

but will Ryan change the wiring so that the pedals actually work?

Do they have a habit of not working? Never actually played one.

considering the most recent Fuzzrocious pedal I bought new was in 2010, there's a very massive possibility that dude has made leaps and bounds to his guts work, but I'm not sure I would buy another pedal from the company -- even though I think Ryan and Shannon are great people (they were still sans-kid the last time I talked to either) with a really nice tonal aesthetic.

I remember reading somewhere that SS/BS Brian had been helping Ryan out with some things. I'm sure that time & experience has helped out greatly. I've had my Demon King since roughly 2012 and it's still kicking. Never opened it up though.

That said, Ryan and Shannon are great. Really nice couple that seems to really enjoy the hell out of life. I've helped Ry with a few technology related things through the years and he's always been great to work with in those capacities. Swell fella.