Be(a)st of 2015

[daseb]

1000 Travels of Jawaharlal's

okay I'm interested. They were one of the few bands that took that whole Sarah Kirsch sound and absolutely nailed it.

I never really thought of their sound as something Sarah Kirsch-like. Gonna listen to Owari no Konai in a different way now.

Also, Excuse to Travel is another band that does this sound:

that's the way that record was sold to me by my friend at the record store years ago haha. "like Japanese Bread and Circuits, Yaphet Kotto kinda stuff". Maybe it's more there's a lot of stuff going on in the guitar playing that's very Kirsch, while the actual songs themselves didn't have that much in the way of similar structures? Kinda thing where you'd be like 'this is mad and I bet we listen to a lot of the same records A LOT'.

Pulling that LP out when I get home tonight. Thanks for the recommendations!

[Blackened Soul]

Consider too that the average ILF user has listened to a lot more music than maybe even the average music listener; it's possible that our bar for what constitutes "experimental" is pretty high.

For example, Sunn O))) is definitely quite experimental. It's normal to us. But to the vast majority of music listeners it's hard to get a handle on what Sunn is doing. Sunn is, legitimately, pretty experimental. Only a few bands had gone into drone doom territory like that before them, and a few of them involved O'Malley and Anderson, anyway...

I'll agree sort'a.. yes about how to the average person but... as much as I love sunn I've never thought of them as really super experimental maybe if I hand't known about The Melvins and Earth and Throbbing Gristle etc. first.. I like them because they make music I enjoy as someone that has had an obsession with drony things for over 20 years for no apparent reason.

[casecandy]

I know how you guys feel and I see it from your side of things, too.

Obviously it's not experimental to play a long, heavy, and repetitive song.

I mean, you guys were talking about Krautrock and stuff, but you don't even need to go that deep: any live Led Zeppelin bootleg is kind of a precursor to Sunn. Twenty-minute songs with long, formless theremin breaks

Reading my comment a week later, I agree, Sunn isn't "experimental" in the sense that they're doing something that's never been done before.

I guess what I was trying to say is, the word "experimental" in a certain context could indicate music that lacks the hallmark structures of popular music: accessibility, melody, verse/chorus/verse, predominantly consonant phrasings, etc., and deviates from those norms.

So on the one hand, it's a long tradition, and on the other, it is an experiment to deviate from those norms.

I recently saw William Basinski live and the show included a conversation, wherein he said he didn't like the word "experimental." I'm paraphrasing, but he said,

"I don't like that word, 'experimental'... because everything I do, or everything any artist does, is an experiment, even if it's pretty safe. You're always trying to see if this sounds good, or this sounds good, and that's experimenting. Like when you're a kid and you have Scotch tape and scissors and you record your refrigerator on high, and you get the most unbelievable drones you've ever heard in your life... that was an experiment. So I don't like that word that much [because it's implicit in all music anyway]."

So that's a neat take on it, too, and I appreciate that viewpoint.

[lordgalvar]

I know how you guys feel and I see it from your side of things, too.

Obviously it's not experimental to play a long, heavy, and repetitive song.

I mean, you guys were talking about Krautrock and stuff, but you don't even need to go that deep: any live Led Zeppelin bootleg is kind of a precursor to Sunn. Twenty-minute songs with long, formless theremin breaks

Reading my comment a week later, I agree, Sunn isn't "experimental" in the sense that they're doing something that's never been done before.

I guess what I was trying to say is, the word "experimental" in a certain context could indicate music that lacks the hallmark structures of popular music: accessibility, melody, verse/chorus/verse, predominantly consonant phrasings, etc., and deviates from those norms.

So on the one hand, it's a long tradition, and on the other, it is an experiment to deviate from those norms.

I recently saw William Basinski live and the show included a conversation, wherein he said he didn't like the word "experimental." I'm paraphrasing, but he said,

"I don't like that word, 'experimental'... because everything I do, or everything any artist does, is an experiment, even if it's pretty safe. You're always trying to see if this sounds good, or this sounds good, and that's experimenting. Like when you're a kid and you have Scotch tape and scissors and you record your refrigerator on high, and you get the most unbelievable drones you've ever heard in your life... that was an experiment. So I don't like that word that much [because it's implicit in all music anyway]."

So that's a neat take on it, too, and I appreciate that viewpoint.

That's like exactly what I said haha. Sounds like a smart guy that Basinski . Maybe he read this thread before his show? Validation!

Not an egomaniac...just thought it was kind of funny.

[D.o.S.]

That's like exactly what I said haha.

[lordgalvar]

That's like exactly what I said haha.

D.o.S. said it too. Sorry about that .

I was just surpirsed haha.

[D.o.S.]

oh no I was quoting you (us?) because I totally agree. I think Basinski knows what's up.

[lordgalvar]

It was a pretty fluid conversation. I know you wern't calling me out, just wanted to give you credit too.

[casecandy]

oh no I was quoting you (us?) because I totally agree. I think Basinski knows what's up.

The conversation was one of the best parts of the show. Glad you convinced me to go.

[Eivind August]

Finally got around to listening to the new Sajjanu record these past few days. Definitely one of the years best. Dash de koi is so fucking good.

https://sajjanu.bandcamp.com/

[Dungus]

Finally got around to listening to the new Sajjanu record these past few days. Definitely one of the years best. Dash de koi is so fucking good.

https://sajjanu.bandcamp.com/

Oof, this is nuts, like an old disc of classic Nintendo theme tunes skipping like fuck on a CD Walkman as it rolls down a hill. Or something. Thanks for the link!

[DarkAxel]

Ahab's new album is BEASTLY

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhUwUBJz9ik[/youtube]

awesome slow, brooding weedless doom, really reminded me of my old doom days

[casecandy]

Ahab's new album is BEASTLY

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhUwUBJz9ik[/youtube]

awesome slow, brooding weedless doom, really reminded me of my old doom days

+1

[neonblack]

The new Shopping is awesome. Hints of Minutemen but with a lady singer. And nary a fuzz pedal in sight.

[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gql9Phm0B88[/youtube]

[lordgalvar]

The new Shopping is awesome. Hints of Minutemen but with a lady singer. And nary a fuzz pedal in sight.

[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gql9Phm0B88[/youtube]

I think they thank Hagar the Womb or something in the notes. Pretty awesome! Checked 'em out not long ago and dug it.