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AND I just sent that to my boss by accident.

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D.o.S. wrote:You mean a test on the internet might just be affirmation bias and not actually indicative of anything substantial? I question your acumen, sir.


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D.o.S. wrote:AND I just sent that to my boss by accident.

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ChetMagongalo wrote:that quiz was really thorough, I couldn't give a good answer to some of the questions, and also really surprised at how some people feel about simple issues where the "right" answer is obvious.

98% Bernie, I think he's easily the best candidate by a long shot, but I'm worried he won't be able to fix a lot of issues on his own regardless of how correct I think his ideas are.


TBH the best/most important thing about a Sanders presidency would be to see if in fact the voting system actually works and it is not a stacked deck in the great and magical land of Wefucked


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I'd vote for this guy:

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Funny thing is I wanna vote for Jim Webb solely based on Alec Baldwin's portrayal here:

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ChetMagongalo wrote:that quiz was really thorough, I couldn't give a good answer to some of the questions, and also really surprised at how some people feel about simple issues where the "right" answer is obvious.

98% Bernie, I think he's easily the best candidate by a long shot, but I'm worried he won't be able to fix a lot of issues on his own regardless of how correct I think his ideas are.


TBH the best/most important thing about a Sanders presidency would be his Supreme Justice nominations.

Yes. Arguably the biggest direct outcome of this. 4 of the 9 justices are 77 and older. Nuh sprung chuckuns.

I still haven't watched the dem debate in it's entirety, and I'm still kind of unsure on Bernie's foreign policy. Lately I've been wondering if Bernie is simply better for the country as a senator (although it would really help to have more like him) than in the white house. I'm not set on that view, but just mulling.
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Faldoe wrote:I'm hoping he goes beyond the wealth gap in the next debate. Can't even a one issue candidate.

He was on Real Time with Bill Maher the other night and Maher was trying to get him to explain what democratic socialism is but Bernie wasn't doing that good of a job.

Was it there that Bernie admitted that everybody's taxes would go up?
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They're both here, but I think the second one is the 'socialism' thing. They're also largely redundant, as you might expect from a candidate stumping.
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I've lived in Vermont on and off for the past 30 years. It went from being ok for business to one of the worst. The taxes/cost of living here have become really awful. My personal opinion of Sanders is pretty low.
But I don't think it really matters which party is at the helm because both push for ineffective/inefficient policies that more often than not do more harm than good, and theres no push back because the very people who would supposedly be for fixing things quickly see its beneficial for their own personal careers as politicians to go the other way. You can go back through recent presidents and make arguments that such and such 'conservative' politician really pursued policies that wound up being more liberal in nature, and find 'democratic/liberal' politicians that wound up presiding over and efficiently working with more 'conservative' policies. I think term limits and attention to stopping the revolving door is crucial. But that ain't gonna happen. We all gonna die.
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D.o.S. wrote:...Every single presidential candidate will raise taxes. That's what they do, even and especially the ones who say they won't.

No they don't and at this time they shouldn't.
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Yes, they do. Find me a president that hasn't raised taxes. I'll wait.

Our current president, back in his first term (2010 I think), unrolled a budget that called for new tax breaks for business, ending capital gains tax on new investments in small businesses, freezing a large area of discretionary spending,getting rid of something like 120 small federal programs, and an increase in military spending. And that was his original proposal, not the compromised version that was eventually passed.

The fact that vast swaths of the country haven't dealt with the fact that we're post-industrialized has little to do with the sitting president, or the one before him, or the one before him, or the one before him, etc. Unfortunately there's a lot of people who are being hit by this because they (for example) can't work in the same factory or mill or whatever that their community was built around 75 or 80 years ago, and they externalize a lot of their anger to deal with the realities of that.

Which is not to say I disagree with you, just that I think the methods being touted by many of the candidates to do so are appealing to a vision of the past that may not be feasibly resurrected.
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D.o.S. wrote:Yes, they do. Find me a president that hasn't raised taxes. I'll wait.

Our current president, back in his first term (2010 I think), unrolled a budget that called for new tax breaks for business, ending capital gains tax on new investments in small businesses, freezing a large area of discretionary spending,getting rid of something like 120 small federal programs, and an increase in military spending. And that was his original proposal, not the compromised version that was eventually passed.

The fact that vast swaths of the country haven't dealt with the fact that we're post-industrialized has little to do with the sitting president, or the one before him, or the one before him, or the one before him, etc. Unfortunately there's a lot of people who are being hit by this because they (for example) can't work in the same factory or mill or whatever that their community was built around 75 or 80 years ago, and they externalize a lot of their anger to deal with the realities of that.

Which is not to say I disagree with you, just that I think the methods being touted by many of the candidates to do so are appealing to a vision of the past that may not be feasibly resurrected.


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is he really still a person?
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