Help me with an octave down rig

[bigchiefbc]

I did this for years and years in a band. Used the radial A/B/Y as it had phase and ground lifting. A micro pog will do the trick but I personally prefer the boss OC3. Seems to track a little better, the pog2 and micro pog I used at points just sounded a little weird.

I'm in the minority here, but I always thought the original full-size POG sounded vastly superior to both the Micro and the POG2. It just sounds warmer and less chirpy to me.

[ThurberMingus]

The Big Box POG is IMO the only pedal with pitch I've played that can hold a candle to the PitchFactor. Sounded so soo soooooo super good, but it was so fucking noisey in my rig (which has since come a long way) that I had to flip it.

[casecandy]

So POG vs. POG 2 vs. Micro POG vs. Nano POG

Which is best, given that I'm only going to use it for the wet low octave and nothing else right now?

Nano POG is cheaper but not a lot cheaper

[ThurberMingus]

As much as I love the POG, I feel like just using it for octave down is a waste of space and resources. So I would say Nano or Micro, whatever you can get for cheaper.

[Blackened Soul]

So POG vs. POG 2 vs. Micro POG vs. Nano POG

Which is best, given that I'm only going to use it for the wet low octave and nothing else right now?

Nano POG is cheaper but not a lot cheaper

do you actually need to play chords?

[voerking]

i don't think it's been mentioned yet: the EHX PitchFork does the octave down thing ridiculously well.

[BoatRich]

i don't think it's been mentioned yet: the EHX PitchFork does the octave down thing ridiculously well.

This and the other intervals are useful as well

[odontophobia]

Chiming in with what I found complicated things for me...

If you want your octave down to be dirty and you also do any "dirty to clean to dirty" parts you're gonna have a bad time. You're suddenly trying to step on like 65 switches and it's difficult. If you don't want your octave down to be dirty, ever, then it's not really a problem. If you never play clean or always play clean then it's not a problem.

I've used the Pitchfork and my buddy has the POG2. Used OC3 on a record before (as a bass substitute) and all are reasonably adequate for simulation but will never ever be a bassist. They have their place and can do cool shit. If the idea is "let's not have a bassist I'll just use an octave pedal" you may find yourself disappointed. I'd recommend borrowing items to test it before investing in something that may not work out for you.

[whoismarykelly]

Pitchfork is by far the best pedal for the job. Any POG will always have some amount of dry and octave up bleed which will make the bass sound synthy and unnatural. I would go for always having some dirt on the bass. Makes it sound more realistic and less like the muffled bass tone you'll get clean. Also, clean bass over distorted guitar in this case wont sound good. You aren't playing bass and guitar, you're playing one instrument with two voices.

You'll want to have a full signal chain of bass gear after the octave down to simulate what a 'real' bass would be using. I recommend at the very least some drive, an EQ, and a bass amp/cabinet. I use the following board. The Source Audio EQ, Pitch Fork, and B7K are the bass chain.

[D.o.S.]

Can we talk about the color coded cables for a second.

[daseb]

brightly coloured cables are the best. Can always tell exactly what's mine at the end of the night when shit is all over the place and I'm too baked to function.

[casecandy]

If the idea is "let's not have a bassist I'll just use an octave pedal" you may find yourself disappointed. I'd recommend borrowing items to test it before investing in something that may not work out for you.

No, no, I just want to add another dimension to my guitar

Something not unlike this maybe

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2rPlxEhmZc[/youtube]

This thread is awesome from start to finish BTW

[Iommic Pope]

brightly coloured cables are the best. Can always tell exactly what's mine at the end of the night when shit is all over the place and I'm too baked to function.

Tips from the pro shop.



Is the pitchfork the same sort of tracking algorithm/tech as the pog or what?
I thought you'd really be splitting hairs on that one?
Not throwing shade, just haven't played one and want some enlightenment.

[daseb]

brightly coloured cables are the best. Can always tell exactly what's mine at the end of the night when shit is all over the place and I'm too baked to function.

Tips from the pro shop.

you were at the church of misery brisbane show yeah? I think that was the one where I couldn't even figure out the impedance on the back of the cab properly. Ahh, professionalism.

[Iommic Pope]

Haha!
Yes I was.
Actually all I remember from that show was some rad dance moves and not being able to hear shit for about 48 hours afterwards.

Pretty sure your set was rad though.