JHS Muffuletta

[D.o.S.]

Dulcimer is fucking awesome.

we had a lap dulcimer and a hammer dulcimer at church when I was a kid

guy who played em was super cool and taught me a ton about music.
Actually I probably wouldn't be into guitar at all if it wasn't for church peeps growing up.

that's not being said to validate P&W as a scene, granted I get a ton of chances to play doing more "christian" stuff, I don't think it's a music style or a gear style, and I agree with some of the above comments that some of the "This JHS double barrel is helping people get closer to God" is complete B.S.

Would like to get a lap dance from a lap dulcimer player.

[Chankgeez]

I'll be right over.

[culturejam]

I can't let this be ignored...
You could still do it better,(MUCH BETTER) with clipping options and mid controls,
I'm sure you could also think of a few extra bells and whistles too...

We still might do it. But the problem is that we'd have to charge a decent bit for it, and then you guys would bust our balls about having an expensive Muff clone.

[Chankgeez]

You'll get the complaints regardless, culturejam.

[Jwar]

SMD is much simpler to fix than through hole. Let's say you have a bad component. Well ok then you replace the whole board. Big deal? It's such a lower cost that you can do that so, servicing is a non issue. I mean, are they more reliable? Who knows. Only time will tell.

Also, I think the whole if a pedal builder uses SMD I'd rather find something non smd is silly. Why does anyone even look at what the circuit has in it other than OCD reasons? I hardly ever open my pedals. I only do it to appease others. I could care less if it's got unicorn piss in it. As long as it sounds good. Goop the shit out of it, I don't care. I'm not buying it to look at the guts. I guess I understand the tidiness thing but at the same time, I think people get overly obsessed with this specifically on this site. Which is funny because half the pedals people love on here aren't very well made.

Declaring smd is *simpler to fix than through-hole* is puzzling. I suppose it can be an accurate statement...if making a few assumptions here.

-You have an extra pcb on-hand
-The oem mfr will still be in business and there will be available stock of the entire board, footswitch assembly or other smd parts etc.
-I'm so callously wasteful as to treat entire pcbs as disposable because a single component fails.
-I'm OK with gatekeeper/proprietary *solutions* to problems invented by marketing departments.

Gibson put pcbs into their guitars...so users could rip them out and go back to simple, universally available shiz that can be obtained through competition.

No thanks.


Edit: heh (again) Chank

Ummm do you have any idea how much pcbs cost to produce? Because I do. If you don't have extras on hand you are probably the greatest selling master alive. Or you never re-order because your stuff isn't selling very well. PCB's are totally disposable. I'm not sure why that's a big deal? It's a piece of plastic with metal traces on it. Unless of course you're etching them yourself, in which case you wouldn't be using SMD.

If I had an issue with an SMD board, and it was a big issue, I'd toss the board. Better to eat the expense of that than to have to try and fix a possible un-fixable problem.

[Sparrow]

I don't have any firsthand experience in P&W circles, but based on my online interactions and observations...those who identify as such and are most vocal about it (and everything else) range from stuffy and intolerant to downright hateful xenophobes. Very discomforting. Egos abound capable of making rockstars and divas blush. If the stated mission is to "lead others to God" then it seems to me inclusiveness and diversity would be a more effective approach than restrictions and constant finger-wagging, moral posturing etc.
As an outsider looking in, I see way too much homogenous/uniform/paint-by-numbers aesthetic for my liking...and it glaringly lacks the soul of gospel music.

That community and to a lesser extent JHS causes me to recall (what is my favorite bible phrase...even though I had to Google it) Matthew 6:5. To summarize: Heathens pray in public.
However, I won't go so far as to excommunicate individuals who identify with _ just because I don't. Different strokes for different folks applies.

JHS sucks!! don't even listen to this Thread. Google. and connect the (red) dots
i really enjoy and agree with Jwars post too!

this is my first post in a few days. been out of service with a separated shoulder and cracked elbow.

[Chankgeez]

Also, someone, please tell him that Ernie Isley was in The Isley Brothers not "The Eisly Brothers".

[daseb]

I could get down with P&W if all of it sounded more like this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLRRm5-oBZ4[/youtube]

Can JHS rip off some trogotronic stuff next?

[lordgalvar]

[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bmCANXP6EnQ[/youtube]

I don't want to see what WT would do if JHS even touched on of his creations for fear that it may begin the end of days.

[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgbWP3nxovU[/youtube]

[resincum]

I could get down with P&W if all of it sounded more like this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLRRm5-oBZ4[/youtube]

Can JHS rip off some trogotronic stuff next?

you're like my fucking soulmate

[daseb]

been listening to AFC all morning. Perfect for the 'back after two days off sick total shitmare of emails to respond to' feels.

[zeravla]

Also, someone, please tell him that Ernie Isley was in The Isley Brothers not "The Eisly Brothers".

Wasn't the Eisly Brothers the Cantina band in Star Wars?

[Chankgeez]

Yes, yes it was…








and strangely enough their band leader plays a bassoon-like instrument.

[pickdropper]

This is an interesting thread.

The board reworking / recycling / landfilling of PCBs really has more to do with the internal politics of the manufacturer and the quality of the parts/boards than whether or not it is SMT or Through-hole. Lots of consumer electronics companies have boards that can be easily swapped out, which speeds up the repair for the customer. The boards are then repaired, retested and put into refurbished units. This is a win/win for customers as they get fast returns and different customers can buy discounted refurbished units.

As far as how repairable a board is, there are so many factors it's impossible to boil it down to SMT/TH.

- For most standard SMT components, it's faster for me to repair if the components are on the open side of the board. I can pull of resistors and caps with a pair of soldering tweezers in seconds, clean up the pads and solder on new parts. If I don't have tweezers, I can usually sideswipe the part with a standard soldering iron and still be in business. For more complicated packages, like BGAs or QFNs, they are a bit of a pain. Companies that do a lot of boards with those will often have rework stations to deal with them, but that type of repair may be a bit more difficult for DIYers without access to that type of equipment. Of course, those types of parts don't often have through-hole variants, so it's not an Apples to Apples comparison. Now, if the SMT components are on the underside of the board, I'll need to take the whole pedal apart, which is a hassle.

- For TH parts, I can often change a resistor, diode or a transistor fairly easily without major effort. For many cap types (some of the more commonly failed parts in older pedals) I usually have to pull the board, which, again, is a bit of a hassle. It's more common for me to have to take out the board for TH repairs than SMT.

To summarize, sometimes SMT repairs can be VERY fast, others not so much. Same thing with Through-hole. It varies.

[Jakezor]

Yes, yes it was…
and strangely enough their band leader plays a bassoon-like instrument.

That isn't a bong?