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So me friend is looking for a pedal that lets him do the following:

"I want it after my amp splitter. It needs to have/be a delay with stereo in.
I want to be able to delay the amp with a few milliseconds (not a gazillion bounces/repeats). If I add route one of my current delays to just one amp I always get two repeats (dry sound and delay) even though I've set the pedal fully wet and shortest/smallest amount of repeats".

He currently owns 5 delays and none of them work for this. Digitech Digidelay, Boss DD-7, DD-6, Mooer MAD1, DM-2W and EQD Rainbow Machine.

He's currently looking at/trying out a Strymon Deco but feels it's a lot of money. And although it's not a huge pedal, the smaller the footprint, the better.
People got any suggestions? Go!

Your pal may have better luck looking at rack units than pedals.

Sounds like what he's going for would be either the TCE Mimic or Keeley 30ms Double Tracker. The Keeley isn't stereo though.

Well lookey here, there's a new DoS in town.

Seems as good a time as any for some Joey Tempest.
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mcatano wrote:Your pal may have better luck looking at rack units than pedals.

Think he's looking at a pedal, but in case rack works, what would you suggest?

goroth wrote:Well lookey here, there's a new DoS in town.

Seems as good a time as any for some Joey Tempest.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syupu49U9Qk[/youtube]

What am I missing?

Tc Electronic Mimiq is my first thought.

Am I the only one a bit baffled by the question? The friend is upset that the output of the delay sounds like a delay? So what exactly is sought instead? Can’t tell if ADT is still too long, since it is audible.

Unless it has a really short max time, a BBD delay is generally gonna have a minimum delay time in the slap back range—that is, an audible repeat. A non-modulated BBD for a chorus could maybe get shorter, but do any have LFOs that go to full stop? Digital delay pedals often don’t go below slap back length because the makers want to sell you separate chorus and flange pedals. Shortest nominal time I’ve seen on a ddl pedal is for the Vestax MDX, 8 mS maybe? Good luck finding one. Below ADT length, comb filtering can be a problem, anyhow. If you want really short, digital bypass round-trip latency might be a few mS. Add another digital bypass pedal or use an older one for a longer gap.

Dry signal to one amp and wet signal to the other? Is that what he’s looking for? Plug into B input on DD-7 at the end of the chain, run the B output to the amp he wants the dry signal on and the A output to the wet. DD-7 gets as low as 1ms. No need for amp splitter.

But I too am confused what he’s trying to accomplish. If it’s double track sound I think the stereo Mimiq would work better like Phantom Waist said

TC Electronic Flashback; it has stereo in/out and kill dry. Set it all up as a toneprint. Never tried one but it fits the bill.

The thing with the rack stuff is MAKE SURE it doesn't sum to mono internally.

In pedal form, the Boss RE-20 does the job admirably there if you want what it does and does not sum to mono.

Gone Fission wrote:Am I the only one a bit baffled by the question? The friend is upset that the output of the delay sounds like a delay? So what exactly is sought instead?

My read was that the friend wants something close to a broadcast line delay rather than a digital or analog delay effect—whatever goes in comes out exactly the same just offset by however many ms so that there's a slight difference between the two amps to give a bit more depth/space/roominess. The Albini room mic move.

mcatano wrote:

Gone Fission wrote:Am I the only one a bit baffled by the question? The friend is upset that the output of the delay sounds like a delay? So what exactly is sought instead?

My read was that the friend wants something close to a broadcast line delay rather than a digital or analog delay effect—whatever goes in comes out exactly the same just offset by however many ms so that there's a slight difference between the two amps to give a bit more depth/space/roominess. The Albini room mic move.

My interpretation too. And I hadn't even thought about it but it totally makes sense now. The guy is a huge Albini-nut!

Eventide is the king of broadcast delays and I've been seeing them pop up cheap lately. Also Peavey delay lines can he found for about $60: here is one local to me (https://littlerock.craigslist.org/msg/d ... 05328.html)

All racks though

mcatano wrote:My read was that the friend wants something close to a broadcast line delay rather than a digital or analog delay effect—whatever goes in comes out exactly the same just offset by however many ms so that there's a slight difference between the two amps to give a bit more depth/space/roominess. The Albini room mic move.

Psyre wrote:Eventide is the king of broadcast delays and I've been seeing them pop up cheap lately.

Broadcast delay is not like a delay you would use for a musical instrument. They don't usually have parameters because they are incident based devices that you actually never want to use. They build up a buffer over time and then continuously maintain it so a producer has a way to keep unwanted content off the air by hitting the dump button within however long the buffer is of the unwanted audio. So if a caller says "its fucking bullshit, that's what it is" during a call-in talk show the producer can essentially go back in time. It sounds like a bad tape edit when it happens but it prevents a potential fine.

It sounds like the OP just wants a delay on one side of the splitter so a stereo delay shouldn't be necessary unless he wants both sides delayed by the same amount which would just make playing difficult. TC tone print set up for the exact parameters he needs is what I would do.