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Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:32 pm
by Faldoe
Everytime I go to GC I play the CPJM. I really want one and will likely buy one used. Since it has been released, has there been any changes or modifications to it by Fender or is it the same?
Also, can it be fitted with a Mastery Bridge?
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:36 pm
by Wittgenstein
It has a tune-o-matic, so you can't just drop a mastery in. You will have to remove the thimbles, fill the holes, and redrill. You may want to go with staytrem instead, as you won't have to redrill, you'll just have to remove the thimbles and drop in their conversion thimbles (you'll still probably want a pro to do this).
Save yourself the pain, hassle, and $$$ of all the mods you'll need to do to make this guitar kick ass by just shelling out for a used 60s Lacquer Jazzmaster or the Road Worn model (if you can get past the silly relicing). Both are big upgrades over the CP for not that much more money. Awesome right out of the box, and easier to upgrade.
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:03 pm
by weebles
Mastery now makes a replacement bridge for TOM-equipped guitars. So no need to drill or anything. Just drop it in.
Staytrem, on the other hand, just stopped producing the conversion thimbles and have no plans to producing bridge replacements for TOM-equipped guitars.
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:06 pm
by indianDYsummer
i think the classic lacquer series still has new/smaller thimbles and need to be ripped our for a bridge swap. I could be wrong. But sounds like mastery has a drop in option that should work for both anyway.
For the CP, i like the bridge pickup and would put a different vintage styled neck pickup in.
I have a CP and it's great. But, i also have one of those discontinued staytrem AOM replacements which are hard to find. I also like the neck more cuz it's got some meat on it. Never played the lacquer series but my '62 AVRI was a little skinny... i think the neck is similar on the 60s lacquer.
The used market for CP is way lower than 60s lacquer right now. On my CL, there's a burst CP JM for $450!
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:26 pm
by Wittgenstein
weebles wrote:Mastery now makes a replacement bridge for TOM-equipped guitars. So no need to drill or anything. Just drop it in.
That would be cool, but are you sure about that? Website still says you have to fill and redrill:
https://masterybridge.com/which-to-buy/
AOM bridges require you to dowel and drill for our standard USA thimbles.
REPEAT: We only make one vintage USA spec size thimble, if you currently have a threaded post bridge design on your guitar you will need to convert it to accept our USA spec thimbles. For more information on our thimbles visit our specs page. It is recommended a luthier replace these if you are unfamiliar with the process. It’s not very time consuming.
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:41 pm
by Faldoe
Hmm. Thanks for the info! Maybe I'll have to wait for a MIJ one. Someone had a CPJM on craigslist near me for $450 but they didn't respond to my emails.
The MIJ stuff has gone up in price and I haven't seen them for less than $700 around here - without mods. I regrettably sold my 96' MIJ JM with mastery bridge and Curtis Novak pickups for like $850 maybe six years ago.
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:15 pm
by weebles
Wittgenstein wrote:weebles wrote:Mastery now makes a replacement bridge for TOM-equipped guitars. So no need to drill or anything. Just drop it in.
That would be cool, but are you sure about that? Website still says you have to fill and redrill:
https://masterybridge.com/which-to-buy/
AOM bridges require you to dowel and drill for our standard USA thimbles.
REPEAT: We only make one vintage USA spec size thimble, if you currently have a threaded post bridge design on your guitar you will need to convert it to accept our USA spec thimbles. For more information on our thimbles visit our specs page. It is recommended a luthier replace these if you are unfamiliar with the process. It’s not very time consuming.
Yeah, looks like you are right. I never got past the price to read the details.
I have had a few emails with staytrem though. Pretty disappointed in their discontinuing the thimbles. Maybe they'll bring it back soon. IMO that seems to be the better bang for your buck.
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:17 pm
by Wittgenstein
It seems like a mistake on their part to discontinue those conversion thimbles. Right now they're getting the majority of the business from CP, Mascis, etc. owners because their bridge was the easiest to swap in.
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:59 pm
by weebles
For real. When I talked to them I mentioned that exact thing. Oh well. Maybe they'll bring it back. I held off on buying one for my JMJM because wifey was going to get it for me as a Christmas present. Then they discontinued it and now I'm just scouring ebay and reverb every day.
Re: Classic Player Jazzmaster and constancy in build quality
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:45 am
by waltdogg
yet another reason not to buy a jm without the proper bridge.