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Hi all,

First post here.

I tried to do a search and couldn't find exactly the info I was after.

What do MF-104M SD's sell for on the second hand market? Is ~$1500 the right ballpark?

Does anyone reckon there will ever be a reissue?

Who has used one and liked it (or didn't like it)?

Cheers!

$1500 (Americabucks) seems high... More than half the ones on Reverb right now are under a grand, and all but one are under $1200...

Here you go

https://reverb.com/p/moog-mf-104m-delay

Some sort of satisfactory delay chip situation, maybe? I suppose the tiny Minifooger uses a more plentiful chip (or less of them?).

Chips chips chips

msum wrote:What do MF-104M SD's sell for on the second hand market? Is ~$1500 the right ballpark?

A mint 104m-SD sold on eBay 7/20 for $1300. If you're patient and you stay watchful, though, you might be able to see $1150-1200 on a good week.

Meanwhile there are many standard 104M's available right now, so the price on these is the lowest it's been in several months. This is a good time to grab an MF-104M, as you might be able to negotiate for one in the $675-750 range, if you stay on top of new listings. If you're already a 104m user, though, then that's not likely to help you.

msum wrote:Does anyone reckon there will ever be a reissue?

Every time Moog has disrupted the production of the 104 series, they have retooled the effect with multiple years of inactivity. I think the next incarnation is likely another 1-2 years away (maybe more). I would imagine Moog is actively looking for a manufacturer to produce the desired BBDs, but it's going to take some time.

msum wrote:Who has used one and liked it (or didn't like it)?

I have both. The SD has longer delay times obviously and is supposed to have reduced noise, but it would be hard for me to persuade someone to drop the extra $500+ on upgrading from the 104m to the 104mSD.

You're giving up so much gear, by purchasing either one. For the cost of the 104M, you could buy 3-4 delays, such as a Boonar, Nemesis, and a used Ibanez. For $1200-1400, the Super would cost you essentially six to seven $200 pedals. That's the con of course---the Moog MF-104mSD is the most powerful analog delay you can buy, but it's also the most expensive analog floor unit by a wide margin.

The pros? The 104 series sounds so much better than any other analog delay I've ever used. The LFO features allow you to dial up so many wild background textures that other delays can't touch. I've got Maxons, Boss, Way Huge, and I've owned vintage Memory Mans, Ibanez delays, and many analog-voiced digital delays. None of these can rival the big box Moogs in terms of warmth, features, or overall expressiveness.

It really comes down to your needs and budget. If you're not doing somewhat experimental music, then I would steer you away from the 104mSD all together. Do you already use other Moogerfoogers? If you don't, you might be just as happy with a Cluster Flux and a complimentary delay, as you would be buying a standalone 104m/104mSD. With a Cluster-delay combo, you'd get deep LFO controls for adding modulation to your delayed signal, but you'd also be giving yourself a little more flexibility. On that note, I'm going to bed. Good luck with your delay quest.

Thanks everyone.

Appreciate it.

Does anyone else have opinions about the standard vs SD?

echorec wrote:

msum wrote:What do MF-104M SD's sell for on the second hand market? Is ~$1500 the right ballpark?

A mint 104m-SD sold on eBay 7/20 for $1300. If you're patient and you stay watchful, though, you might be able to see $1150-1200 on a good week.

Meanwhile there are many standard 104M's available right now, so the price on these is the lowest it's been in several months. This is a good time to grab an MF-104M, as you might be able to negotiate for one in the $675-750 range, if you stay on top of new listings. If you're already a 104m user, though, then that's not likely to help you.

msum wrote:Does anyone reckon there will ever be a reissue?

Every time Moog has disrupted the production of the 104 series, they have retooled the effect with multiple years of inactivity. I think the next incarnation is likely another 1-2 years away (maybe more). I would imagine Moog is actively looking for a manufacturer to produce the desired BBDs, but it's going to take some time.

msum wrote:Who has used one and liked it (or didn't like it)?

I have both. The SD has longer delay times obviously and is supposed to have reduced noise, but it would be hard for me to persuade someone to drop the extra $500+ on upgrading from the 104m to the 104mSD.

You're giving up so much gear, by purchasing either one. For the cost of the 104M, you could buy 3-4 delays, such as a Boonar, Nemesis, and a used Ibanez. For $1200-1400, the Super would cost you essentially six to seven $200 pedals. That's the con of course---the Moog MF-104mSD is the most powerful analog delay you can buy, but it's also the most expensive analog floor unit by a wide margin.

The pros? The 104 series sounds so much better than any other analog delay I've ever used. The LFO features allow you to dial up so many wild background textures that other delays can't touch. I've got Maxons, Boss, Way Huge, and I've owned vintage Memory Mans, Ibanez delays, and many analog-voiced digital delays. None of these can rival the big box Moogs in terms of warmth, features, or overall expressiveness.

It really comes down to your needs and budget. If you're not doing somewhat experimental music, then I would steer you away from the 104mSD all together. Do you already use other Moogerfoogers? If you don't, you might be just as happy with a Cluster Flux and a complimentary delay, as you would be buying a standalone 104m/104mSD. With a Cluster-delay combo, you'd get deep LFO controls for adding modulation to your delayed signal, but you'd also be giving yourself a little more flexibility. On that note, I'm going to bed. Good luck with your delay quest.

Hi echorec,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Do you think something will come up in the $1300 range? I've found something in the $1500 range, but $1300 is already a whole lot - I just think about what they sold for when new!

Does the Cluster Flux LFO do exactly the same thing as the Super Delay's, or are they a little different?

Do you think the SD is indeed quieter than the standard version? The standard is tempting, but I keep on thinking the SD is just better, with no disadvantages; so I figure I should maybe just wait.

Do you find use for both your standard and SD?

Cheers.

I would suggest to go with standard. SD sounds darker and doesn't fit that good in so many contexts. At least in my recordings.

So, I have one of these. I'm not sure what version it is... But it is great.
I don't know if it's $1000 great, but it is lovely. I'm planning on flipping mine for a Jazzmaster once we get our Dwarfcraft Delay off the ground.

! Dwarfcraft delay...different from the Mini Van? Anymore details Aen? I might consider flipping my MF 104 if the new Dwarfcraft delay brought the juice to the party :):)

Been NOT buying a 104M for a while now cause I'm so curious about the dwarfcraft delay. Can't wait.

aen wrote:Dwarfcraft Delay

I'm listening...