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V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:00 pm
by cobascis
braaandooon, the legend that he is, gave me an op amp big muff that had some issues. I just replaced a few of the capacitors (one was visibly chewy) but it had no effect on the sound. Basically it sounds like its a devi ever pedal or some shit. If you play quietly or roll back volume it won't event make any sounds, play hard and it will sort of sound liked a gated fuzz/od. Actually kind of kool, but not what I want out of a muff such as this muff.
Should I keep going through and replace every old capacitor? Also, the tone bypass has been, well, bypassed. There is also a strange bridge on the pcb, as if the original trace got fucked up so this is bridging it?
Ran out of patience/parts today and want to know if I should track down each cap and replace it, or could it maybe even be the op amp?
Here are some pictures:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tguf1azbk2fx ... wfAra?dl=0Ordered a new multimeter off amazon, and have the rest of the capacitors coming in this week or early next week.
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:19 am
by cobascis
I ordered all the capacitors I don't have. Any chance it could not be a cap issue?
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:14 am
by Scruffie
Voltages on the 4558 & 741 and pictures (yours aren't working).
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:47 pm
by cobascis
I have a really shitty possibly non functional multimeter. What setting do I put it on to read voltage? It's on of the spin knob ones with tons of symbols
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:48 pm
by cobascis
Will fix pics tonight
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:24 pm
by Scruffie
Put it on the 20V setting, black to the enclosure, red to probe about.
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:24 pm
by cobascis
Fuck. This piece of shit multimeter just pots constantly changing random numbers on the screen, regardless of setting or whether probes are in. Fuck that. Never get an Excel XL830L
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:28 pm
by Scruffie
Are you in the US? I believe Harbor Freight (I think i'm thinking of the right place) should do a cheapy meter that'll do the job.
Random question... do you think you could weigh the pedal for me? Coincidentally trying to find out the shipping cost for one from a guy in the US to me

Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:40 pm
by cobascis
No scale, but I just checked and the large box big muffs are all shipped as 2lbs from amazon.
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:41 pm
by cobascis
Odd that photos don't work -- they work for me. Maybe it's because I'm using dropbox
Here is the folder on DB with pictures:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tguf1azbk2fx ... wfAra?dl=0
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:37 pm
by cobascis
Was checking out this page:
http://www.geofex.com/fxdebug/bias_prob.htmIt sounds like for sure it is a biasing issue. Got the multimeter and will take a stab at it tonight. How do you fix a biasing issue? Does it imply cold solder joints or bad resistors?
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:50 pm
by Scruffie
Take voltages first, it'll confirm or deny that and then you work on how to fix it, if it is the issue.
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:09 pm
by cobascis
4558 is 8.92
741 is 9.33
Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:20 pm
by Scruffie
Need voltages for all 8 pins on each chip
Like so,

Re: V5 Op Amp Big Muff Woes -- No Sustain, Fizzy
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:52 pm
by cobascis
whoops!
741:
1: 8.79
2: 8.37
3: 8.97
4: 9.04
5: 0
6: 8.86
7: 9.39
8: 0
4558:
1: 8.90
2: 8.89
3: 9.25
4: 9.32
5: 8.89
6: 8.89
7: 8.92
8: 9.30