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which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:33 am
by el badger
. . . or when using an oscillating transistor, would slow down the oscillation or exaggerate it?

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:05 pm
by cloudscapes
more information needed, what do you mean slow down? are you talking about a delay line?

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:23 pm
by Bellyheart
If you wanna sweep the freq a pot will do just fine. It's a resistor that allows a range. Are you referencing your bazz?

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:44 pm
by el badger
Bellyheart wrote:If you wanna sweep the freq a pot will do just fine. It's a resistor that allows a range. Are you referencing your bazz?
I am actually. Before I solder it all up complete, I want to either make the sweep more noticeable or deeper. Either one will be fine. I tried a 1k pot on the ground source wire didn't change anything - well nothing for the better. It made it sound harsh and 'tinny' increasing the top end without any sweep. adjusting the pot had no influence. It so I tried placing it between the emitter resistor and the ground and same thing: harsh and no sweep. So what i was wondering if possible to (one or the other or both) is there a way, or component that would speed up/slow down the sweep or affect the depth of the sweep. Otherwise I will just solder what I have, give it a foot switch, an LED, and throw it in an enclosure.

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:24 am
by Nocentelli
Can you post a sketch of the actual circuit?

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:25 am
by Nocentelli
Can you post a sketch of the actual circuit?

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:14 am
by el badger
Nocentelli wrote:Can you post a sketch of the actual circuit?
I can do better than that. Here is a photo of the breadboard. I know the solder joints on the jacks are in the wrong place, but they are only for breadboarding. I was attempting the Bazz Fuss, it was unsuccessful so i swapped a few parts. The resulting sound was a boosted tube amp through a semi slow Leslie cabinet.

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:09 am
by Nocentelli
I was thinking schematic or circuit diagram, I can't read all the connections or values from the picture.

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:02 pm
by el badger
Oh. That makes sense. I will draw up an actual schematic.
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Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:43 am
by el badger
Nocentelli wrote:I was thinking schematic or circuit diagram, I can't read all the connections or values from the picture.
Im drawing it up, just not as easy as it was when I was a kid. Ironic huh? I used to whip this stuff out like nothing. I guess its like riding a bike. But yeah I definitely want to know from those that have been doing this longer than me how to make what I have better or how to do it better next time.

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:15 am
by el badger
Nocentelli wrote:I was thinking schematic or circuit diagram, I can't read all the connections or values from the picture.
Okay here it is. It has been a while since I've drawn up a schematic. C1 and C2 are vintage ceramic discs about the size of a US Nickel and after some research I am pretty sure I got their values right.

The code on the ceramic disc caps read:

Y S U
1 0 3 M
2 K V
KCK

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:13 am
by mysteriousj
el badger wrote:
Nocentelli wrote:I was thinking schematic or circuit diagram, I can't read all the connections or values from the picture.
Okay here it is. It has been a while since I've drawn up a schematic. C1 and C2 are vintage ceramic discs about the size of a US Nickel and after some research I am pretty sure I got their values right.

The code on the ceramic disc caps read:

Y S U
1 0 3 M
2 K V
KCK
Ughhh :wha?:

Did you actually draw that right? That's just weird. One of the diodes which connects directly to your +9V is forward biased directly to GND... Did you notice one getting hot? (I'm surprised it didn't blow.) There's also no DC blocking cap on the output. Luckily your amp will have one so it will still work but as soon as you add a bypass switch it's gonna pop like crazy.

Any sound you are hearing is probably just your power supply dying, that diode is just like a short to ground. Can you actually hear any guitar?

Most oscillators work by charging then discharging a cap. You adjust the frequency by controlling the time it takes to charge this cap. You can use a pot to control the charging current, increasing the resistance will reduce the charging current meaning it takes longer to charge up and so a lower frequency etc.. You can also up the size in the capacitor it will work the same as above.

There's ICs that will give you an oscillator, NE555, CD4047 etc. You can build one out of op amps or transistors too..

Or.. If you just want to mess around and make some weird shit that oscillates when you do just remember the bigger the cap - lower frequency(Takes longer to charge up). You've just got to find the tight one though :p

Re: which component / circuit would slow a signal down

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:36 pm
by el badger
mysteriousj wrote:
el badger wrote:
Nocentelli wrote:I was thinking schematic or circuit diagram, I can't read all the connections or values from the picture.
Okay here it is. It has been a while since I've drawn up a schematic. C1 and C2 are vintage ceramic discs about the size of a US Nickel and after some research I am pretty sure I got their values right.

The code on the ceramic disc caps read:

Y S U
1 0 3 M
2 K V
KCK
Ughhh :wha?:

Did you actually draw that right? That's just weird. One of the diodes which connects directly to your +9V is forward biased directly to GND... Did you notice one getting hot? (I'm surprised it didn't blow.) There's also no DC blocking cap on the output. Luckily your amp will have one so it will still work but as soon as you add a bypass switch it's gonna pop like crazy.

Any sound you are hearing is probably just your power supply dying, that diode is just like a short to ground. Can you actually hear any guitar?

Most oscillators work by charging then discharging a cap. You adjust the frequency by controlling the time it takes to charge this cap. You can use a pot to control the charging current, increasing the resistance will reduce the charging current meaning it takes longer to charge up and so a lower frequency etc.. You can also up the size in the capacitor it will work the same as above.

There's ICs that will give you an oscillator, NE555, CD4047 etc. You can build one out of op amps or transistors too..

Or.. If you just want to mess around and make some weird shit that oscillates when you do just remember the bigger the cap - lower frequency(Takes longer to charge up). You've just got to find the tight one though :p
I went back and verified, the drawing is spot on but no heat from the diodes. I don't know if it is killing the battery though. It sounds great though. I just wanted to know if it was possible to bring out the sweep more. It might be better to not solder it up just yet, shelve this one and start fresh. If it is a mess, I wouldn't know unless I was told like I just was. Thank you for checking it out. Last thing I want is to catch the carpet on fire.