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Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:56 am
by phantasmagorovich
Since I am getting extremely excited about the Selmer Treble & Bass 50 I'm buying tomorrow I thought it might be a good to have thread for us to share the few sleeper amps that can still be found on the webs. Now, with prices exploding still (have you guys seen what vintage Orange Amps go for these days?) there is still a lot of stuff flying under the radar. Some of them are being rediscovered, others are still completely obscure.
Being almosta always broke and also a cheap skin, I have made a point of getting awesome amplifiers at a good price. Sharing my knowledge now:

Roost
British amplifier company, shared a supplier with Hiwatt, maybe there has been some personal overlap too. At least they are a cheap alternative that sounds similar. They can do Hiwatt cleans, but break up earlier. I like to run mine with a bit of hair. All of them have Master Volume and two channels that can be bridged for extra goodness. There are 50W, 100W, 200W and slave amps. The combos are all 100W, the rest are heads that resemble Hiwatts with black tolex and white piping. EL35 power tubes.

There are at least three generations that can be told apart by the pilot light. Orange light is the oldest version and the most desirable. They have Partridge Transformers and were point to point. Red light gets you a Partridge Transformer and pcb wiring, the green ones are supposed to sound much worse, they have plastic switches and Drake Transformers.
Roost also built amps under the brand name Funkshun. These are equivalent to the Mid-Series iirc.

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http://www.roostamps.co.uk/

Selmer Treble & Bass

There are three versonis of this. I'll cite from another thread:
rustywire wrote:
The MK I aka "Bassmaster Fifty" is EL34 powered, GZ34 rectified, and uses 4 ecc83 preamp tubes.
It sounds the *smoothest* and has the most clean headroom.

The MK II is EL34 powered, GZ34 rectified and uses 3 ecc83 preamp tubes.
It sounds the grittiest. Think Interstellar Overdrive.

The MK III and SV IIRC are EL34 powered, silicon rectified and use 4 ecc83 preamp tubes.
They sound the *tightest* ...like comparing a Plexi to a Bluesbreaker or Twin Reverb to a Super.
I am a big fan of the MKIII and that's what I'm getting. Huge low end, even on the 50W version. The guy that had mine before used it for bass. It stays clean forever and comes close to a sort of linear sound. Meaning it will accurately reproduce the zinging sounds of your hands sliding on the strings or the flabby sounds and farting lows of downtuned fuzzed out guitar. Rules hard.
I played a silverface Bassmaster 100 once and it did not sound much like this. The Fender was gnarlier. Altogether I'd prefer the Selmer.

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http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/gallery/ ... /selm.html

some more stuff I've heard are good deals, maybe some of you can fill in the facts:

Carlsboro Tube heads & Combos (Marshall-like)
Park Amps (actual Marshall with other branding ??)

No idea how these are priced:
Some of the italians. Meazzi, anyone? (They have an amp that is called the 666 plus it has a built-in tape echo. win in spades.)
Schaller KV40 might be interesting as well, Tube Trem and Disk Echo, I think...


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Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:10 am
by D.o.S.
So we can help make the affordable vintage amps unaffordable?

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:17 am
by Chankgeez
D.o.S. wrote:So we can help make the affordable vintage amps unaffordable?
I'm glad you said it.

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:04 pm
by phantasmagorovich
Honestly I don't think that's going to happen unless I become an awesome rock star after all. But yeah, thought it would be nice to share the knowledge among friends.

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:09 pm
by retinal orbita
Traynors are a dime a dozen around Toronto and a lot of them are apparently clones or hot rodded clones of JMPs. I constantly see them sold for like 200-500 for a 70's 50w head....

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:25 pm
by theavondon
Traynor is where it's at in the north Americas. I wish we could get our mitts on those cool euro amps. My friend has a Klemt Echolette which is totally awesome.

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:52 pm
by D.o.S.
phantasmagorovich wrote:Honestly I don't think that's going to happen unless I become an awesome rock star after all. But yeah, thought it would be nice to share the knowledge among friends.
You already are an awesome rock star.
:)*

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:39 pm
by theavondon
I'm turbo jelly about that selmer though. The H shaped knob layout is maybe the greatest thing of all time.

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:15 pm
by univalve
London City

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:44 pm
by Charmless
I own 3 Carlsbros and a Kelly :)

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:59 am
by phantasmagorovich
Never heard of Kelly. What are they?

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:05 am
by ShaunNecro
Musicman amps. Despite the fact that some people want absurd amounts for them they rarely ever seem to go for those prices. I'm not aware of a lot of 130 watt tube heads that will go for around $200. Not to mention that these things are built like freaking tanks and have a fantastic clean sound. Sadly it looks like more people are becoming aware of them, I'm starting to see more in my area.

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:11 am
by phantasmagorovich
ShaunNecro wrote:Musicman amps. Despite the fact that some people want absurd amounts for them they rarely ever seem to go for those prices. I'm not aware of a lot of 130 watt tube heads that will go for around $200. Not to mention that these things are built like freaking tanks and have a fantastic clean sound. Sadly it looks like more people are becoming aware of them, I'm starting to see more in my area.
These aren't full tube, preamp is usually transistor, I think. Which is why dumb asses think they aren't worth anything and sound like crap, even though they sound amazing (from the one time I've played one.) And you can't argue with 450 for a really nice combo amp.

(Tranny pre isn't true for the oldest vintages, but that's the ones you don't see.)

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:20 am
by ShaunNecro
phantasmagorovich wrote:
ShaunNecro wrote:Musicman amps. Despite the fact that some people want absurd amounts for them they rarely ever seem to go for those prices. I'm not aware of a lot of 130 watt tube heads that will go for around $200. Not to mention that these things are built like freaking tanks and have a fantastic clean sound. Sadly it looks like more people are becoming aware of them, I'm starting to see more in my area.
These aren't full tube, preamp is usually transistor, I think. Which is why dumb asses think they aren't worth anything and sound like crap, even though they sound amazing (from the one time I've played one.) And you can't argue with 450 for a really nice combo amp.

(Tranny pre isn't true for the oldest vintages, but that's the ones you don't see.)
I think tube power with transistor preamp sounds a lot better than tube preamp and SS power. Sure you can't really overdrive the preamp and have it sounds awesome, but that's what pedals are for!

Re: Vintage amp resources

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:35 pm
by Charmless
phantasmagorovich wrote:Never heard of Kelly. What are they?
Semi-Selmer-related. AWESOME amp. Here's some info:

http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/selmer/kelly/kel.html

Pic from old recording sesh:

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