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I feel like I'm limiting my possibilities by buying a two-in-one pedal. I can't separate them to arrange in the chain is my biggest issue. But I see a few companies doing this. I saw the someone on another thread mention a DBA twosome possiblity. if they combine a harmonic transformer and a TSA and charge $400, I wouldn't be surprised(BTW did you guys see the echo dream 2? kinda glad i held out.) i feel alittle different about Manglers. But I want to know how others feel about it.

I have a Dual The Elements pedal. It's fucking awesome.

I've owned several dual pedals by Dwarfcraft and few others I can't remember. Really it just depends on the builder.

I mean for about the same money, wouldn't it be a better idea to buy each on their own?

There are certain advantages to duals. If you only like reverb after fuzz, then a fuzz -> reverb pedal wouldn't limit you too much. There are also some space saving bonuses like not needing another cable or power connector.

psychedelicrelic wrote:I mean for about the same money, wouldn't it be a better idea to buy each on their own?

Again, it depends on the builder. I've gotten some killer deals before. Just e-mail them and see. If they double the price, then it's not really worth it. At least not to me.

If the combination works well and saves space I'm all for it. The Sparklefucker is my favorite pedal that I own. 50 bucks cheaper than buying a fuck and sparkle motion separately even with the custom graphic.

I dual pedals! They save space, patch/power cables and are usually cheaper than buying the two effects separately. EQD has always added a little something so it's not just two stock pedals in a box. Ghost Disaster has the extended decay time while the HoofReaper adds the octave. The Blackout Twosome let's you set the stacking order. The only way the Dual Elements or Sparkle Fucker would be any better is if it had an effects loop.

I don't know if I could handle pedals like the Hoof Reaper or Twosome... they are a whole different beast compared to the typical four knob devi twins I am used to. I think you have to be familiar with the two circuits, be it directly or indirectly (well that's a tone bender and thats a muff... i can imagine how that might sound.) Either that or have a real sweet demo. But personally, coming up from Devi's early forums, I look at certain twosomes and twins coming out today and ask "where's the oscillation toggle? the trem mode?" There has to be something fucked up you can do with a Tone Bender and a Big Muff circuit in the same box. Give me a switch that'll make me think about playing guitar differently. Whether its switchable or not... The Fuzzhugger Absynth, the clarinot, the crackle on the fuck overdrive, volt and sag on a wolf computer, the ECT drone, rainbow machine magic switch... or every single Copilot pedal. Make my guitar fucking fall apart.

I'm not advocating playing with noise all day, my fuzz tones are pretty tame lately, but if a pedal can't be pushed to an extreme, I'm not interested. When I'm done rehearsing a song or practicing a set, I like to sit down, turn the mix knobs up, flip the oscillation switch and lose some friends.

When I think of a double pedal, I either think of basically what PP was saying where the two pedals together just sound straight fuuuuuucked up, OR two pedals that sound really good stacked. BUT, the thing is, the two pedals stacked thing is WAY more hit and miss for me compared to when they both just sound craaaaaazy when combined. Like, the Foxrox ZIM I had was two good overdrives that when stacked was a pretty great distortion. Buuuuuuut, I found myself only using one. And then, I was bored with it. Whomp.

the major drawback i see to the dual pedals is that if the unit dies you're out two fuzzes that you normally use rather than one. granted, it's pretty rare for a fuzz unit to simply pack it in these days, but i instinctively prefer a group of discrete units that can be subbed out rather than all-in-one devices.

PumpkinPieces wrote:flip the oscillation switch and lose some friends.

Yup. Sig'd.

kbithecrowing wrote:

PumpkinPieces wrote:flip the oscillation switch and lose some friends.

Yup. Sig'd.

Should be the motto of the new year.

I have and have had a couple dual pedals. Currently I've got a custom BAT dual pedal, he reason I wanted a dual was because i usually play with stacked pedals for dirt and i figured if i could save the power cable, a patch cable, and have a master on / off so it's one click from clean to stacked distortion tones, saves me some tap dancing. I liked the Ghost Disaster for the same reason, still kinda miss having one of those. I also have 2 more dual pedals coming in, a guitar voiced boost > modified OCD, and a bass version. Both in different enclosures with different mods.

I skipped the two in one and went straight for 3 in 1 when I had a custom built - I wanted all my essentials in one box, and can cram it between other boxes if I want to go for stupid.

Trem/delay with warp switch/octave fuzz that's meaner than hell are my basics, my compromise for flexibility is having the order of the delay/fuzz in the box switchable.

Then again, it sits on a board with another 8 dirt pedals. I think it'll be ok.

I've had a few dual pedals. I found myself only using half of whatever it was more, so I usually tossed them to the wolves. Now when I make dual pedals I make sure to at least have a toggle where you can change the order of which comes first