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Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender question
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:50 pm
by Communarchy
So... I know a lot about Bowie and I know Ronson used a Les Paul into a Tonebender into Marshall SPLs. The thing is, Tonebenders have never been my thing and I know there are a lot of versions/editions. I love the ratty, cocked wah sound he gets on the Ziggy Stardust movie. Can anyone help me figure out which version of the Tonebender he uses? And also, suitable clone/builder who makes a boutique circuit so I can buy one. I have a Halloween gig where I'm Mick on Nov. 2nd and I've got down the songs, I just want the tone now. I have a basic audio tri/ram and I hear the triangle muff is very close in the character to one of the Tonebender circuit but that cocked wah mid bump is what I'm missing. Also, it sounds like a octave harmonic is almost struggling to pop though on this song. My muff doesn't get there but it might also be how he's attacking his strings.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g6--QoPsDM[/youtube]
Re: Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender ques
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:53 pm
by Moustache_Bash
I always thought the cocked wah sound was just that. A cocked wah used in conjunction with his tonebender. Also, I freakin' love Bowie and Ronson.
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-54404/equipment.htm
Re: Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender ques
Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:03 pm
by Moustache_Bash
Now you got me on a Mick Ronson kick:
2 PLAY, DON’T WORRY Ronson had a few favorite instruments, but was never a slave to his gear. Early on, he often played instruments in various states of disrepair, from missing strings to cracked necks held together with gaffer’s tape, but still managed to get the job done. At 19, Ronson acquired his first “really playable guitar,” a Fender Telecaster, but it wasn’t long before he switched to the 1958 Gibson Les Paul Custom with which he became most often associated. By mid-1973, Melody Maker listed Ronson’s rig as three Les Paul Customs strung with Rotosounds (.009, .011, .014, .025, .035, .044) pumped through a Marshall Major 200-watt head and one 120-watt 4x12 Marshall cabinet loaded with Celestions, plus a Cry Baby wah and an American Tonebender formerly owned by Pete Townsend. Ronson’s less-seen ’70s instruments included a Carlos Robelli acoustic, a black Gibson SG Special, and a Fender Mustang. He was also fond of Fender Pro Reverb amps and often employed an Echoplex and later, a Roland Space Echo—not only for delay effects, but to add warmth and just a touch of grit by hitting the front end of his amps a little harder. Though he also grew to love Fender Stratocasters, the Tele eventually became Ronson’s go-to guitar for the duration of the ’70s through the ’80s, when his amp collection also expanded to include various Music Mans and Mesa/Boogies. Though he swapped out guitars and amps with regularity (he preferred stock models), the Cry Baby wah, which Ronson would click on and leave stationary after finding the pedal’s edge-of-feedback sweet spot, remained a key component of his sound throughout his career. Coming from one who waxed so many monstrous and memorable guitar tones, Ronson’s casual attitude towards the tools of his trade may seem surprising, but the bottom line is that he simply looked at his gear as a means to an end. “Sometimes, I wouldn’t think of what I was plugging into,” he told GP, “as long as it works.” Only a poor craftsman blames his tools!
Source:
http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/10- ... onson/8884
Re: Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender ques
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:59 am
by Communarchy
Great. So if seems to be a cocked cry baby was the main component. So one article says an "american" Tonebender and the other says a Vox Tonebender. Not to get nitpicky (well, to get nitpicky) which one and what is the diff? Thanks guys, great help so far!
Re: Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender ques
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:19 am
by devnulljp
You need a MkI Tone Bender and a CryBaby.
No such thing as an American Tone Bender, and the Vox Tone Bender is a different circuit with only 2 trannies. He didn't use a Vox Tone Bender, it was def a MkI.
The jerms MkI is the tits, but (a) expensive and (b) hard to come by. Same with the DAM (only moreso).
Ian Sherwin / Ghost does a nice MkI.
There's also a cool guy in Spain who does a few nice versions of the MkI and he's a Ronson nut.
Check out
Manlay sound[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIw3eIJZfDU[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IspJi9oZm4w[/youtube]
Re: Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender ques
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:35 pm
by dubkitty
devnulljp wrote: a different circuit with only 2 trannies.
insert Bowie cross-dressing joke HERE.
Re: Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender ques
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:30 pm
by snipelfritz
OMG I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO LOVED MICK RONSON
but I kinda feel like he's one of those players that half his sound just comes from his fingers.
Re: Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender ques
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:49 pm
by dubkitty
Re: Mick Ronson's tone during the Bowie era, Tonebender ques
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:09 pm
by coldbrightsunlight
snipelfritz wrote:OMG I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO LOVED MICK RONSON
but I kinda feel like he's one of those players that half his sound just comes from his fingers.
Hells to the no you aren't the only one. Totally agree about the second thing, his sound is basically fuzz of some kind, a wah pedal, and playing like Mick fucking Ronson. The third is the hardest bit of course.