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Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:27 pm
by McSpunckle
I've wanted to do this for a while... just see if they're really that bad. They're $20-30 pedals, which is pretty awesome.

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Behringer- $20 pedal! by McSpunckleFX, on Flickr

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Thick steel bottom plate! by McSpunckleFX, on Flickr

Alright, so the first thing I did was take off the bottom of the pedal. I thought they were all plastic, but at the very bottom of the pedal is a really thick steel plate-- and it's grounded. It adds some weight and shielding. Without it the pedal would be so light you'd have to have it velcro'd down to step on it. Srsly. The plate alone seems heavier than a lot of boutique aluminum pedals. Kinda wish they'd switch to aluminum, since one of the things I liked about it being made of plastic was how light it could be. ... ok, that's the only thing I liked about it being plastic.

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... where have I seen this before? by McSpunckleFX, on Flickr

This looks familiar. I always hear that Behringer stole Boss's enclosure, but it's actually Digitech's. It uses the same switch setup and even the same method of getting to the battery.

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How to keep from breaking the pots... by McSpunckleFX, on Flickr

One thing you hear a lot about is the plastic knobs and pots. This is pretty clever. The knob goes fairly tightly down into the hole, so they can't move side to side. And there's that little groove that keeps it from being pressed down. Basically, you're not going to break the pots without breaking through the plastic enclosure first. Which brings me to...

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ABS! Not the cheap stuff. by McSpunckleFX, on Flickr

The enclosures are made of ABS-- that's what they make things like flight cases and a lot of portable industrial equipment out of. My dad uses these old Simpson analog multimeters that are made of thinner plastic than this and those things will take a POUNDING. Plastic isn't always a bad thing. I know there are environmental concerns with plastics, but as far as any structural concerns... I think they're fairly unfounded.

The footswitch part is twice as thick as the rest of the pedal, too. So that helps even more.

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Guts! by McSpunckleFX, on Flickr

Now, the good part. The guts. Everything is mounted to the board and pretty solid quality. The board itself is -way- better than the cheap crap EHX uses. The pots are Alps brand, and basically the same as the little pots I use on the sides of the VTFs. The jacks are the only thing in there I'd have any concern with, and I doubt they're all that bad. Again, they go through the enclosure so there's a bit of structural support.

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Machine soldering! w00h! by McSpunckleFX, on Flickr

Here's the back side of the PCB. It's all SMD other than the pots and electrolytic caps, and it's all soldered perfectly. It's done by machines, so it should be. There is -some- truth to the idea that SMD could be noisier, just because smaller parts can be noisier (especially resistors), but I don't think it's a legit concern for pedals, really.

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Hand soldering! ... errmm... by McSpunckleFX, on Flickr

The battery snap is hand soldered... badly. I'm sure it's structurally fine, especially since they loop the wire through the board first, but the soldering here is really awful. Almost hilariously so.


Now, things that pictures can't show:

The footswitch feels kinda bad. I think the rubber thing that presses the switch is a bit stiff and/or too long. And the plastic kinda creaks on the spring. It does lead to it feeling cheap.

Plastic will always look cheaper, and there's that concern of noise. I tested it pretty quickly and there's really no noise that you wouldn't expect from a dirt pedal. The knobs are reasonably responsive, and the tone... well I don't have anything to compare it to, but it sounds pretty cool. It's a bass overdrive and I don't have a great bass rig right now (or a working bass), but I do dig clean blends on guitar, and it's pretty sweet for that.

Overall, after opening it up, I'd go Behringer over Boss alllllll day. If I had a problem with noise, I'd just tin foil the insides and call it a day. It'd be really easy to do. They'd also be great if you needed a type of pedal, but wanted to hold out for a cool one from a small builder, and needed something in a pinch.

In conclusion, I think think Behringer pedals are fucking cool and the hate is mostly unfounded.

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:52 pm
by Derelict78
yeah I have this pedal and its pretty good. definitely worth the $20 I spent on it!

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:00 pm
by Rygot
I enjoyed reading this.

:thumb:

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:01 pm
by culturejam
I posted some gut pics of my Behringer analog delay here:
http://www.freestompboxes.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10683

Build quality isn't terrible on the Behringers. I just think maybe they wouldn't hold up to hard-core road touring. Maybe.

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:18 pm
by aussy
There's a great future in plastics :snax:

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:21 pm
by D.o.S.
culturejam wrote:I posted some gut pics of my Behringer analog delay here:
http://www.freestompboxes.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10683

Build quality isn't terrible on the Behringers. I just think maybe they wouldn't hold up to hard-core road touring. Maybe.


They're cheap enough and prevalent enough that backups aren't a problem, though.

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:35 pm
by smallsnd/bigsnd
i did have a behringer rv600, which sounded good when on... the bypassed sound was pretty crummy though, i've got to say - dull as shit and weirdly noisy. i was using it on a wurlitzer at the time so maybe that had something to do with it? :idk:

other than that, behringer rip-off garbage is totally worth the $20-40. not more than that.

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:03 am
by Holy Schnikes
Good read!

Don't know shit about Behringer pedals but their $20 cable tester (CT100?) has been a life saver.

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:08 am
by McSpunckle
I could see these being noisier than metal enclosure pedals. This one has a pretty solid ground plane, so maybe that's helping a bit extra. I'm not getting more noise than normal, at least.

The bypass seems fine on this one, but I decided to do some poking around and it turns out they even copied the input buffer from the ODB-3, so maybe bypasses could vary... or they use that buffer on everything. I dunno. But it's a pretty standard JFET buffer (though, weirdly, with a 10K resistor in series with it). The input impedance should be about 1M.

Edit- for some reason they lowered the input impedance to 550K. Still high enough for most people, I think, but I have no idea why they didn't simple go with 1M. Noise concerns, maybe?

I'd be bothered by the aspect of them being cheap clones if Boss, Digitech, Line 6, Ibanez, etc didn't copy eachother. Often not even in unique was-- just straight up clones.

Anyways, as far as reliability, I did see if it could withstand me jumping on it. It did. It's got some flex to it, but that's one of the properties of ABS that makes it so tough.

The only real complaint I have with Behringer is that they should coat the inside with something to shield it better. And if their bypass circuits are hit and miss, they should probably standardize it.

But, yeah-- I don't think they're worth more than they charge for them. But for what they charge for them.. they're pretty awesome if you just want a standard effect.

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:10 am
by Eric!
good read!

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:36 am
by Bassus Sanguinis
I have a few Behringer products that are just fine for what they are supposed to do: a mini mixer and a tube microphone preamp for home recording, and a spare bass preamp for students (haven't been too many around lately) nothing wrong with those. Not as cheap as the cheap pedals and no switching problems or anything like that. Don't know about the preamps - I got them for free from friends - but the mixer has served for... six years straight without any issues. :idk:

Though I wouldn't daisy chain this with six other pedals - because of the possible tonesuck & noise & grounding issues - it seems to be just as reliable other Boss and Digitech clones :-)

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:42 am
by Schlatte
I've had the UZ 400 fuzz and the TO 100 drive. The TO sounded kinda flat and "boring" to me ( :idk: ) but the UZ wasn't that bad. I often thought about just buying a behringer pedal, rehousing it and putting a 3pdt true bypass switching in... but yeah... I was too lazy and gave both of them away as presents.

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:57 am
by univalve
Derelict78 wrote:yeah I have this pedal and its pretty good. definitely worth the $20 I spent on it!

+1

Good read! :thumb:

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:05 am
by DarkAxel
allright now look at the Echo Machine... a ton of good sounds, but my biggest beefs are:

1)mode selector is actually just a pot... yeah, no clicking, so sometimes it's not really easy to get to the right mode...
2)buzz... buzzed with a battery, different power supplies and in different houses...

Re: Behringer Teardown!

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:49 am
by smallsnd/bigsnd
i think the noise issues may have more to do with the digital pedals? (digital noise and whatnot) hence the RV600.