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hey there y'all. i'm TRYING to keep a system all legal and the only copy of XP i have is super, super NOT...... so the PC i'm using has Win7 64 bit installed.

but in Ableton Live and with Maschine running stand alone, i'm getting 70-80 ms latency. huge glitching, audio dropping..... just nasty.

i'm using a Motu 828 mkII firewire, my pc is an AMD 1.6 dual core with 3 gigs of ram.

i'm using the most current ASIO drivers for the Motu, are they just crap? i have a Digi003 Rack i'm going to install tomorrow and see if i get better results with, but when i was running XP i never had any problems with the 828. i don't even know what latency it was running at, 'cause it was never a problem.

helpzorz?

windows 7 is a pretty clunky os that takes a lot more to run by itself than xp does. To make 7 go faster you can try this: start>control panel>administrative tools>system configuration>startup all the programs that are checked will start up as soon as the computer is turned on, they just make it so that specific program will startup faster (ironically they actually cause the system as a whole to run slower). You can uncheck a lot of those, but be careful because some of them you really do need to run your computer.

It also might be kindof obvious, but you can try deactivating your antivirus and your firewalls while you're running it. You could try reinstalling, or adjusting the drivers for motu to see if that does anything. I'm really sad I had to reinstall windows

cool. i didn't think to turn off all the Startup stuff. i'll check that now.

i tried all the different setting adjustments Motu recommended, none helped. i do have the Aero scheme turned off, so i THINK all of the bubbly animation stuff is gone......... hurm. what else..... i turned off the internal audio card, set the Power Saving to Fastest Performance (but made it never turn off the hard disks)..... other stuff?

i'm running Avira for anti-virus stuff....... but i do go online through this comp occasionally. pretty leery of turning off the anti-virus.

yeah, i REALLY don't want to have to buy WinXP and do a fresh reinstall. lulz. just installing Komplete took soooooooooo damn long.

thanks!

annnnnnnnnnnnnd just did a search for WinXP...... i found a new copy for only $70. so, that's doable. but i DO kind of want to get used to a newer version of Windows if i can get the audio to work right.

murrrrrrrrrr?

The only time I turn off my anti-virus is if I'm running some program that needs lots of space and doesn't need to be connected to the internet, then I shut off the internet and shut off the anti-virus and firewalls. Shutting off anti-virus while you're still connected to the internet could indeed be a very bad idea with windows.

Sorry this isn't a real solution but what I do is I run into my A>D and then straight monitor out before the laptop into a small amp. So the signal I'm recording never goes through everything before I hear it, no A>D and D>A again so zero latency. Then again I'm not using a ton of amp or effect modelling.

Try using 32 bit windows. A lot of DAW's don't run very well on 64 bit operating systems yet. Only some of the brand new ones that have come out within this past year run well on 64 bit.

fALLEN - yer. that's how i run my bass when i'm recording it, but i'm having ASS-loads of glitching when i run soft-synths. thanks tho!

GitarMaGedon Man - hurm. i'd have to buy a new copy of Windows then? there's no way to run Win7 64 in 32 bit mode is there? that'd be AWESOME! if i have to change OS's, i'd probably rather go back to XP though. thanks!

GitarMaGedon Man - hurm. i'd have to buy a new copy of Windows then? there's no way to run Win7 64 in 32 bit mode is there? that'd be AWESOME! if i have to change OS's, i'd probably rather go back to XP though. thanks![/quote]

I'm not entirely sure if you can run a 32 bit mode in win7 64 but if you go back to 32 bit XP It should work better although I'm told 32 bit XP doesn't recognize any more than 4 gigs of ram on a pc so if you have more, it won't be working to it's full potential and in that case you might have to buy the 32 bit win7.

pretty stupid questions: your drivers for your firewire port/controller.. are they new and ok? I had similar problems when upgrading from xp to 7 on my laptop (amd 2*2ghz, 2gb ram)... the new os didn't like the drivers for the controller... so the port was just running at HALF SPEED!!! stupid os ... just go to your device manager (start-control panel-system-device manager) and check the drivers for the firewire stuff (just google for some custom drivers if you want)

y'know, i didn't check on the actual firewire drivers. that's a very smart idea (that...... sorta makes em feel like a 'tard for not thinkin of). off to check that. thanks!

behndy wrote:hey there y'all. i'm TRYING to keep a system all legal and the only copy of XP i have is super, super NOT...... so the PC i'm using has Win7 64 bit installed.

but in Ableton Live and with Maschine running stand alone, i'm getting 70-80 ms latency. huge glitching, audio dropping..... just nasty.

i'm using a Motu 828 mkII firewire, my pc is an AMD 1.6 dual core with 3 gigs of ram.

i'm using the most current ASIO drivers for the Motu, are they just crap? i have a Digi003 Rack i'm going to install tomorrow and see if i get better results with, but when i was running XP i never had any problems with the 828. i don't even know what latency it was running at, 'cause it was never a problem.

helpzorz?

That is your problem right there amigo.

When it comes to latency the #1 causation in my experience is the lack of RAM. Windows 7 and windows in general are massive memory hogs.

Music software may just as well go along the routes of the same hardware needed for PC gaming.

But before you pitch the baby out with the bath-water, check all of your drivers and updates for both windows and your software. If your still having the same amount of problems then it may just be your equipment is too new for your PC.

i'm out and about, so i'm going to see if a firewire controller driver update will help when i get home.

i usually build my pc's from the motherboard up, i was TRYING to just get a decent cheapie for an Only Audio, No Gaming system so i could get Windows bundled for cheap. 1.6 dual core with 3 gigs of ram is a bit more than i had in my old XP system. do you think that's on the low-end?

lulz. i'm NOT upgrading this thing. if i can't get it to work i'll build one from the ground up or get a better system from Fry's. it only has two ram slots anyways. so i can't just pop i ram, i'd have to replace.

whatcha think Maxxxappsy?

behndy wrote:i'm using a Motu 828 mkII firewire, my pc is an AMD 1.6 dual core with 3 gigs of ram.

Yea the problem is that your system isn't particularly powerful. Windows 7 takes like a gig to just run. So that leaves you with around 2 gigs of ram at any given time. That being said, I bet you'd be just fine with 4 gigs of ram total. Also, is it ddr2? ddr3? Sometimes you can have less ram if its all faster ram. The only reason switching back to XP would help is because XP is less demanding on your RAM and CPU. I view such a thing as a bandaid, just get more RAM! RAM is cheap bro!

wfs1234 wrote:The only time I turn off my anti-virus is if I'm running some program that needs lots of space and doesn't need to be connected to the internet, then I shut off the internet and shut off the anti-virus and firewalls. Shutting off anti-virus while you're still connected to the internet could indeed be a very bad idea with windows.

Lol wut? Good luck getting a virus from your computer just hanging out... If your really worried about that, get a better antivirus that takes nothing to run. Microsoft security essentials, or Kaspersky. Microsoft fixed a ton of security issues from XP to win7 though. And also they fixed a ton of optimization issues from vista to 7. Not getting viruses is just about being careful where you go on the internet, not allowing unfriendly scripts to run, not downloading from untrusted sources, and using a decent browser.

Put on your tin-foil hat for this one (make sure it's tin, they can still send the waves through aluminum!)

yeah, i tried some stuff people recommended, and going to the Legacy driver for the firewire controller makes Maschine show the latency drop from 80ms to 30.1ms. so i think you're right. more RAM more bettah. i'm headed to Fry's. it's freaking $60 for 2 4gig dims. that's ridiculous.

it's DDR3, 1066 mhz. 'm off to get some mooooooooooooar.