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4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:21 am
by bdunlap
Without going rackmount (although if there is a rackmount one out there besides the discontinued moog one feel free to post it), is there a phaser out there that can do all of that? Kind of a shot in the dark, but I would love all my phasing needs to be in one pedal instead of having a couple phasers. Cutting down space is what I'm trying to do right now.

:idk:

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:31 am
by hazelwould
bdunlap wrote:Without going rackmount (although if there is a rackmount one out there besides the discontinued moog one feel free to post it), is there a phaser out there that can do all of that? Kind of a shot in the dark, but I would love all my phasing needs to be in one pedal instead of having a couple phasers. Cutting down space is what I'm trying to do right now.

:idk:

Not a huge phaser fan, but what's the differences in the stages? :erm: :idk:

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:50 am
by oinkbanana
the stages are the number of notches/peaks in the sound, affecting the general sound character. A phaser with a stages of n generally has n/2 notches in the spectrum, so a 4-stage phaser will have two notches.

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in this 8 stage phaser you see the four distinct dark blue lines as the frequency cuts,
read more at wiki


Boss PH-3 has 4,8,10 & 12 stage options (no 6, i'm sorry)
but it's also got rise, fall & step!
good enough?>

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:27 am
by Mudfuzz
hazelwould wrote:
bdunlap wrote:Without going rackmount (although if there is a rackmount one out there besides the discontinued moog one feel free to post it), is there a phaser out there that can do all of that? Kind of a shot in the dark, but I would love all my phasing needs to be in one pedal instead of having a couple phasers. Cutting down space is what I'm trying to do right now.

:idk:

Not a huge phaser fan, but what's the differences in the stages? :erm: :idk:


Read for info http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/phasers/phase.html

OP.
Tuff, I can't think of one that does them all, sorry. I want one that does 2, 4 and 6, and I know of one, but the price... :omg:

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:30 am
by Scruffie
I see no physical reason in design that it can't happen...If you want i'll see if I can grab you a DIYer to do it?

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:06 pm
by kosta
The Moogerfooger does 6 & 12 which doesn't get you all of the stages, BUT in 12-stage mode you can use CV to sweep the second 6 stages of phasing independently of the first 6. It sounds pretty freakin' awesome. And if you happened to have something that could do clock divisions on a CV signal (like a Flame Clockworks or a modular synth or something) you could clock the main LFO at one speed and then the Sweep at a multiple or a division of that speed so the intervals would be different, but still in sync. Best phaser out there in my opinion.

From the manual:
The SWEEP IN jack enables you to feed any audio or control signal to the second group of six phase-shifting circuits. When you plug a regular two-conductor (mono) phone plug into the SWEEP IN jack, the MF-103’s second phase shifting group is disconnected from the LFO, and the signal from the phone plug goes in its place. You can use this feature to impart two separate sweep motions to the phaser effect when the MF-103 is in 12-stage mode.


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Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:19 pm
by Gunner Recall
Whoa didn't know that about the moog...only having 6 or 12 is pretty intense, but that sweeping sounds pretty cool.

I always wondered why most phaser only offered 2 stage options :idk:

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:25 pm
by Nychthemeron
How would you fit all of those stages in a single pedal? It would have to be pretty hefty work designing something like that, I would imagine.

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:37 pm
by Scruffie
Nychthemeron wrote:How would you fit all of those stages in a single pedal? It would have to be pretty hefty work designing something like that, I would imagine.

Look at an MXR Phase 45 Schematic compared to a 90 and you'll see the difference of 2 extra stages, not as complex as it may seem at first.

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:35 pm
by SmallEQ
Soure Audio Tri-Mod Phaser has a variety of options. I love it on bass, but I've never heard it on Guitar. There are some good demo vids on Youtube.

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:41 pm
by bdunlap
Nychthemeron wrote:How would you fit all of those stages in a single pedal? It would have to be pretty hefty work designing something like that, I would imagine.


The Boss PH-2 was a 10/12 stage analog phaser and it still fit in a boss enclosure :idk:

For it to have the lower stages couldn't you just bypass some of the stages or something? Not sure how phasers work in terms of building them, but it kinda seems like it would be that way... once again, :idk:

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:35 am
by PanicProne
If I remember right, my BOSS PH-3 which I sold last week used to do this. Not sure about 6, but at least 4,8,10,12. And yeah, I was lazy and didn't read the replies so if I'm in too late feel free to shoot me.

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:08 pm
by bdunlap
PanicProne wrote:If I remember right, my BOSS PH-3 which I sold last week used to do this. Not sure about 6, but at least 4,8,10,12. And yeah, I was lazy and didn't read the replies so if I'm in too late feel free to shoot me.


The boss does have a lot of options but the sound is kinda sucky since it's all digital, just doesn't sound lush

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:02 pm
by Chumley
I'm gonna go with the guy who said DIY. I'm no expert, but if all you want is Rate, Depth, Feedback, and stage control, it shouldn't be TOO complex to DIY it.

Re: 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 stage phasing in one pedal?

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:36 pm
by bdunlap
The line 6 mm4 phase 90 emulator can go up to 16 stages :drool:

Anyone have any experience with the mm4, boss ph-1r, or boss ph-2?

It's kind of a tie between getting a line 6 mm4 or scoping out a ph-1r and ph-2