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Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:20 am
by rfurtkamp
Imagine that coupled with the geniuses who write ad copy for Kirk Hammett could make.

Oh, lordy!

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:50 am
by Jwar
rustywire wrote:
AlexanderPedals wrote:But I think we have had a hand in repopularizing some of the more interesting types of modulation.
Specifically which types of modulation and when were they released?
I'm not trying to dull your shine but that claim sounds like marketing brakes need pumped.
Perhaps it was this one?

http://www.alexanderpedals.com/shop/alexander-pick-tin


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No offense meant to Alexander at all, but even their descriptions on their pedals are hilariously cheesy.

I don't see anything ground breaking or new? So I'm also curious what you guys have re-popularized in regards to modulation. Again, no offense intended, but I am curious now because that's quite the boast.

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:11 am
by Inconuucl
Less drama more jams. :thumb:

Anyone have both an F.13 AND a No memory they can both play in tandem? I want to hear the No Memory's modulation and the F.13's dynamic mode stacked. UC, you are my only hope! :snax:

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:16 am
by echorec
AlexanderPedals wrote:We definitely didn't invent modulation pedals. But I think we have had a hand in repopularizing some of the more interesting types of modulation.
I guess the weight of this sentiment comes down to interpretation. As far as my recollection, the F.13 preceded pedals like the Mr. Black Shepard's End and the Chase Bliss Spectre. So it may have beaten a couple of builders to the starting line, but the marketplace already had feature-laden and exotic flangers in the form of the Subdecay Starlight series and the Moog Cluster Flux.

So I would not necessarily put the F.13 at the forefront of any flanger revivalist movement, but with the F.13 being significantly more affordable than the Cluster and the Starlight DLX, it has likely outsold those units head-to-head. Therefore it's not really a leap at all to suggest that pedals like the F.13 have, in fact, influenced players' purchasing habits, as well as other builders. Even if the video comment did make a few people roll their eyes (myself included), I would agree that the F.13 has played some hand in revitalizing flanger.

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:27 am
by UglyCasanova
Inconuucl wrote:Less drama more jams. :thumb:

Anyone have both an F.13 AND a No memory they can both play in tandem? I want to hear the No Memory's modulation and the F.13's dynamic mode stacked. UC, you are my only hope! :snax:
I do actually run them together, but I don't think I've ever used the F.13 AND the modulation on the No Mem (even though that sounds like a good idea). If you can wait for ILF EU to be over, I can do a demo of them running into each other. :)

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:32 am
by Chankgeez
echorec wrote:... I would agree that the F.13 has played some hand in revitalizing flanger.
:?: :whateva: :idk:

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:37 am
by friendship
Ah yes, the long forgotten flanger effects of days gone by, rescued from obscurity in 2015.

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:42 am
by rfurtkamp
friendship wrote:Ah yes, the long forgotten flanger effects of days gone by, rescued from obscurity in 2015.
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Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:46 am
by Inconuucl
UglyCasanova wrote:
Inconuucl wrote:Less drama more jams. :thumb:

Anyone have both an F.13 AND a No memory they can both play in tandem? I want to hear the No Memory's modulation and the F.13's dynamic mode stacked. UC, you are my only hope! :snax:
I do actually run them together, but I don't think I've ever used the F.13 AND the modulation on the No Mem (even though that sounds like a good idea). If you can wait for ILF EU to be over, I can do a demo of them running into each other. :)
This is why you're my bae. :hug:

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:19 am
by echorec
Chankgeez wrote:
echorec wrote:... I would agree that the F.13 has played some hand in revitalizing flanger.
:?: :whateva: :idk:
friendship wrote:Ah yes, the long forgotten flanger effects of days gone by, rescued from obscurity in 2015.
Just because a small subset of players kept appreciating flangers, that doesn't mean it wasn't vastly overlooked by the majority of players for 20+ years. Was flanger popular in the 90s and much of the 00s? ---Absolutely not. It's likely still dead last behind reverb/delay/tremolo/phaser/overdrive/distortion/fuzz sales. Ring modulation is possibly the only effect less-often utilized than flanging, unless you're going to start throwing out oddities and one-offs. Flanger was consistently one of the least-used effects amongst players for a long time. So yes I would say it has experienced something of a resurgence in the last couple of years.

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:21 am
by rustywire
echorec wrote:
AlexanderPedals wrote:We definitely didn't invent modulation pedals. But I think we have had a hand in repopularizing some of the more interesting types of modulation.
I guess the weight of this sentiment comes down to interpretation. As far as my recollection, the F.13 preceded pedals like the Mr. Black Shepard's End and the Chase Bliss Spectre. So it may have beaten a couple of builders to the starting line, but the marketplace already had feature-laden and exotic flangers in the form of the Subdecay Starlight series and the Moog Cluster Flux.

So I would not necessarily put the F.13 at the forefront of any flanger revivalist movement, but with the F.13 being significantly more affordable than the Cluster and the Starlight DLX, it has likely outsold those units head-to-head. Therefore it's not really a leap at all to suggest that pedals like the F.13 have, in fact, influenced players' purchasing habits, as well as other builders. Even if the video comment did make a few people roll their eyes (myself included), I would agree that the F.13 has played some hand in revitalizing flanger.
+FoxRox Paradox TZF, EHX Flanger Hoax, Mr Black Tunnel Worm, Jack Deville Mod Zero, Strymon Mobius immediately come to mind as preceding the F13 (a Summer NAMM 2015 product) but w/e. If a picture is worth 1000 words (an October 2014) video is surely worth every synonym of consideration :snax:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg5I3_H6Xpk[/youtube]

And FW(little)IW I copped that '82 PolyFlange in spring 2015 due to gradual, organic GAS :hobbes:

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:25 am
by echorec
My initial comment addressing the F.13 was highlighting weirder, knob-heavy flangers. I'm not talking about more standard flanging or stuff made before the recent thru-zero craze. When people ask for exotic textures and oddball sounds, I'm not going to recommend them a BF-2 for otherworldy and synth-like atmospherics.
rfurtkamp wrote:
friendship wrote:Ah yes, the long forgotten flanger effects of days gone by, rescued from obscurity in 2015.
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Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:30 am
by rfurtkamp
I'm not going to recommend that either, but...it's still around for a reason, so is the Electric Mistress.

Realistic: most of the market looking for a flange isn't ever going to use the weird stuff, as much as I'd love 'em to.

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:35 am
by blakestree
I thought the BitQuest! was responsible for the resurgence of flange.

Re: NAMM leaks, announcements, and rumors

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:36 am
by Chankgeez
echorec wrote:Just because a small subset of players kept appreciating flangers, that doesn't mean it wasn't vastly overlooked by the majority of players for 20+ years. Was flanger popular in the 90s and much of the 00s? ---Absolutely not. It's likely still dead last behind reverb/delay/tremolo/phaser/overdrive/distortion/fuzz sales. Ring modulation is possibly the only effect less-often utilized than flanging, unless you're going to start throwing out oddities and one-offs. Flanger was consistently one of the least-used effects amongst players for a long time. So yes I would say it has experienced something of a resurgence in the last couple of years.
Oh, good, my two favorite effects, I'm still an outsider. :lol:

You may be right, but all those other effects have been done nearly to death.

Also, in my opinion, the flanger has probably always been one of the most versatile of the modulation effects. :idk: