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I have no desire to own anything CBA have made thus far, but I think all of their shit is top notch and offers a decent value proposition.

If it makes you happy go out and spend your cash on it. Who cares.
If I was going to get wound up about gear I think there'd be more to say about overdrives that cost CBA money
Look at this junk: https://tgt11.com/product.html/shins-mu ... gory_id=31
I could buy almost any CBA pedal and have enough change for a bottle of Dom Perignon!

That is where the guitar market is at. That is how dumb we are.

In that context no one has any right to rag on CBA.

And what's more, if people want a 5000 kronor overdrive good on em. Who gives a shit.

^

Speaking of tremelo latency, are there any pedals that reset the attack of the trem lfo with based on input signal rather than an internal LFO?

I don't want one (I've got a great trem in the gristleizer already), just curious.

hmmm, interesting - you mean, like a looping ASDR? I guess the EHX and Pigtronic attack decay pedals are basically doing that each time you reset the envelope with your playing. Pigtronix is Analogic and ginormous, EHX is digi and smaller - EHX has some additional tricks with ability to reset the envelope without terminating the previously generated ASDR cycle (which some people call "polyphobic" tho that use of the term has always furrowed my brow).

or maybe i've misinterpreted your question?

goroth wrote:I have no desire to own anything CBA have made thus far, but I think all of their shit is top notch and offers a decent value proposition.

If it makes you happy go out and spend your cash on it. Who cares.
If I was going to get wound up about gear I think there'd be more to say about overdrives that cost CBA money
Look at this junk: https://tgt11.com/product.html/shins-mu ... gory_id=31
I could buy almost any CBA pedal and have enough change for a bottle of Dom Perignon!

That is where the guitar market is at. That is how dumb we are.

In that context no one has any right to rag on CBA.

And what's more, if people want a 5000 kronor overdrive good on em. Who gives a shit.

Bitch I will get on a plane and slap you (after hugging obviously). How dare you inject logic and reasoning! How dare say I!

Jwar wrote:

goroth wrote:I have no desire to own anything CBA have made thus far, but I think all of their shit is top notch and offers a decent value proposition.

If it makes you happy go out and spend your cash on it. Who cares.
If I was going to get wound up about gear I think there'd be more to say about overdrives that cost CBA money
Look at this junk: https://tgt11.com/product.html/shins-mu ... gory_id=31
I could buy almost any CBA pedal and have enough change for a bottle of Dom Perignon!

That is where the guitar market is at. That is how dumb we are.

In that context no one has any right to rag on CBA.

And what's more, if people want a 5000 kronor overdrive good on em. Who gives a shit.

Bitch I will get on a plane and slap you (after hugging obviously). How dare you inject logic and reasoning! How dare say I!

I'll take you up on that dude! Then we'll roadtrip it down to Stockholm and wrestle Vidret.

goroth wrote: Look at this junk: https://tgt11.com/product.html/shins-mu ... gory_id=31

All I got from that is:

slut i lager

Dandolin wrote:hmmm, interesting - you mean, like a looping ASDR? I guess the EHX and Pigtronic attack decay pedals are basically doing that each time you reset the envelope with your playing. Pigtronix is Analogic and ginormous, EHX is digi and smaller - EHX has some additional tricks with ability to reset the envelope without terminating the previously generated ASDR cycle (which some people call "polyphobic" tho that use of the term has always furrowed my brow).

or maybe i've misinterpreted your question?

Nah this is exactly it. Input signal triggered LFO reset (super common in modular obviously)

goroth wrote:I have no desire to own anything CBA have made thus far, but I think all of their shit is top notch and offers a decent value proposition.

If it makes you happy go out and spend your cash on it. Who cares.
If I was going to get wound up about gear I think there'd be more to say about overdrives that cost CBA money
Look at this junk: https://tgt11.com/product.html/shins-mu ... gory_id=31
I could buy almost any CBA pedal and have enough change for a bottle of Dom Perignon!

That is where the guitar market is at. That is how dumb we are.

In that context no one has any right to rag on CBA.

And what's more, if people want a 5000 kronor overdrive good on em. Who gives a shit.

Don't despair! You can still get them here for super cheap:
https://distinctiveguitar.com/effects/s ... -dumbloid/

coldbrightsunlight wrote:Not everyone likes the complicated pedal thing. But I don't think me not enjoying complicated pedals makes companies who make complicated pedals bad designers. Just means they aren't making stuff for me.

This.

goroth wrote:I have no desire to own anything CBA have made thus far, but I think all of their shit is top notch and offers a decent value proposition.

If it makes you happy go out and spend your cash on it. Who cares.
If I was going to get wound up about gear I think there'd be more to say about overdrives that cost CBA money
Look at this junk: https://tgt11.com/product.html/shins-mu ... gory_id=31
I could buy almost any CBA pedal and have enough change for a bottle of Dom Perignon!

That is where the guitar market is at. That is how dumb we are.

In that context no one has any right to rag on CBA.

And what's more, if people want a 5000 kronor overdrive good on em. Who gives a shit.

And all this too.

dubkitty wrote:my problem with CB is the perceived gap between price/hype and usefulness in most scenarios. i haven't trawled every demo, but i haven't heard anything from their gear that i need which couldn't be accomplished with a box at 40% or less of their price. i believe that much of the music market/consumer base is now obsessing about trying to make things perfect when that "perfection" is imperceptible to anyone but the player. it's like the Gear Page guys moaning about tremolo latency. just get on with it, you know? that said, i know a guy who bought the distorto thingy with the sliders and thinks it's totally tits. since he's in Indiana, there's no possibility of checking his out.

there's also possibly a division here between what different folks are looking for from their gear. i guess CB works for people who like their equipment to suggest (create?) different possibilities. i don't totally disagree with that--why else would i own 14 guitars?--but in general i'm looking for equipment that makes the sounds i hear in my head.

If all you want out of your pedals are individual sounds, I 100% agree that Chase Bliss pedals make no sense for you, and I also agree with the original poster that tons of people buy Chase Bliss because of hype, and then under-utilize the pedals. You can get all those sounds out of much cheaper pedals. Some of those sounds will probably require multiple pedals to accomplish, though, and will inevitably end up costing the same or more, but would open up their own sets of new possibilities as separate units. And that's kind of my point. Three $200 pedals might be more worthwhile to you because they can do a lot on their own that one $500 pedal couldn't. The same is true in reverse. Cheaper alternatives to Chase Bliss are much less likely to have expression and MIDI control, and certainly not many (or none) that do will also have those same sounds, because most of the Chase Bliss line-up is still analog.

I get not wanting to use MIDI, but painting its use as some sort of weird and ultimately fruitless perfectionism is also unfair. I'm not looking for the perfect sounds*, I'm looking for live control. You might have a cheaper pedal that's just as versatile as my Tonal Recall or Spectre, if not moreso, but I'm able to utilize that versatility live while still playing guitar, and that control is worth the extra expense to me.

* Okay, I am, but I recognize its fruitlessness, and it doesn't have anything to do with MIDI.

i never said people shouldn't buy their products. i always like to say that "if someone is willing to pay $XXX for {a piece of equipment} then they deserve to." i do think they're terribly overpriced, of limited usefulness other than in experimental settings, and that i think Joel's quick drops of tiny production runs is at least seriously exploitative. if you need MIDI control, mazel tov. i can barely remember which box to stomp on.

goroth wrote:

Jwar wrote:
Bitch I will get on a plane and slap you (after hugging obviously). How dare you inject logic and reasoning! How dare say I!

I'll take you up on that dude! Then we'll roadtrip it down to Stockholm and wrestle Vidret.

Meaty sausage party!

Count me in.

There was a podcast called the ruffian show, not sure if it's still available online but the host interviewed a lot of pedal builders and asked them questions about their business models and their approach. If still available I would recommend listen to the CBA and Alexander pedals interviews. Very telling and fascinating.

I never owned a CBA pedal. Just can't validate the price point as I just record for me and don't play out anymore. For me I would have loved the blooper as a desktop unit as I can't wrap my head around all of those features being foot operated.

Please keep up the posts woolworm, your shit stirring reminds me of "she who will not be mentioned."

This is by far one of the greatest threads in I Love Fuzz forum history

But hey, the Tonal Recall is a solid and legit pedal