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Doctor X wrote:this persecuted minority thing is quite interesting, i dont know if its always been a theme since the 1960s or so and the social revolutions that occurred in 'the west', but it certainly seems to be getting stronger and shriller in the propaganda in recent years.
i can see that with the rise of this oppressive and militant fundamentalist islam in countries with sharia law (or close to it) that there is no doubt christians are persecuted in those places - hey, im an athiest, now you know what its been like for us all these centuries!
but i do find it bizarre to claim to be a persecuted minority in the usa when it seems like every single politician, news reader, media person, etc claims to be a christian or 'person of faith' and are always going on about 'prayers'.
whenever there is some kind of natural disaster they say 'we are praying for them'.
is that how god works? he makes a tsunami, kills loads of people, then all the rest have to have other people 'pray' for them to survive?
or someone goes missing and we have to pray for them to be found safe?
is that how it works? a little child goes missing, and if you dont pray then you dont get them back? so god is sitting there, waiting for you to pray, if you you dont pray enough little johnny is found dead?

anyway, whatever .... this persecuted minority thing just seems to be saying 'you wont let us be bigots anymore', hey dont worry, you can still be a bigot if you want to, but we are all in this together, so you are going to have to learn to accept other people a bit better and not impose yourself upon them

Ancient Astronaught wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:Problem: False-equivocation bullshit is just that, bullshit.

If you're part of the majority, even by virtue of being the biggest minority, you don't get to sue for discrimination. The idea that Christianity is discriminated against in the media (esp. that "liberal mainstream media") is laughable and wrong.

edit: I will say that this conversation is way more interesting than talking about JHS pedals, which are unexciting and lame.

See but to me that is also part of the problem, discrimination by default should have no bounds. There should be no person that can't be discriminated against, otherwise you destroy the validity of the system, at the same time no person should be discriminated against.

I don't know about your neck of the woods but because I'm right outside of DC our news is very politico-centered, maybe out news stations present things differently but here they very clear associate Christian's and their values with Republican's and their values. They constantly connect the two unnecessarily to try and make it very well known that they go hand in hand and that if you support the ideaology and agenda pushed by the liberal owned news stations then you should, like them, be against Christians and Republicans as one and the same; a "potential terrorist threat".

They've even gone as far as to label the founding fathers as "domestic terrorists" and denounced them for what they did to the point that they won't even teach kids about the Boston Tea Party in school anymore as its considered as bad if not worse than 9/11.

What. The. Fuck.

Doctor X wrote:but i do find it bizarre to claim to be a persecuted minority in the usa when it seems like every single politician, news reader, media person, etc claims to be a christian or 'person of faith' and are always going on about 'prayers'.

Ancient Astronaught wrote:

Doctor X wrote:but i do find it bizarre to claim to be a persecuted minority in the usa when it seems like every single politician, news reader, media person, etc claims to be a christian or 'person of faith' and are always going on about 'prayers'.

This may be true in England but it is no longer true here in America. Our president is Muslim, he never says prayers or says he will pray for anyone and has actively sought to have all prayers (christian or otherwise) taken out of government events. Not that I have anything wrong with that personally. The only politicians open about being Christian tend to side themselves with the Republicans, and Media Personalities in public broadcast media are banned from expressing their relgion or expressing the thought of prayer on air by the FCC, unless it is strictly licensed as a a religious channel, at which point it is taxed differently and restricted as far as broadcasting.

My main thing is to take the minority or majority out of it, there should be no persecution of anyone sans convicted criminals.

D.o.S. wrote:I agree that there's no one that can't be discriminated against, but I do think that some claims of discrimination are more valid than others.

D.o.S. wrote:For the record, this is wrong -- Obama's not a Muslim.

D.o.S. wrote:;) Glad you got the reference.

However: claiming that Christians are being discriminated against is invalid: they're being treated the same way as any other religion by people who're secular.

Ancient Astronaught wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:For the record, this is wrong -- Obama's not a Muslim.

Then why did he take a Muslim name when he turned 21? His birth name is Barry Soetoro, when he turned of age he took on a muslim name as required by the faith. He makes no qualms of this.

Ancient Astronaught wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:;) Glad you got the reference.

However: claiming that Christians are being discriminated against is invalid: they're being treated the same way as any other religion by people who're secular.

My main point is that they are being labeled as "Domestic Terrorists" by our current administration and that information is being relayed by all major news channels, I'm not saying they are being treated by people any different. All religions are discriminated against in some way or another, theres no denying that.

D.o.S. wrote:

Ancient Astronaught wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:For the record, this is wrong -- Obama's not a Muslim.

Then why did he take a Muslim name when he turned 21? His birth name is Barry Soetoro, when he turned of age he took on a muslim name as required by the faith. He makes no qualms of this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... dentid.asp

pelliott wrote:Ohhhhh boy

D.o.S. wrote:This is where we've reached the broad point of "ok, sure."

I've never seen any credible news sources say that Christians as a whole are being labelled Domestic Terrorists, just some relatively-fringe evangelical groups. That could be on me, though.

D.o.S. wrote:Yeah I don't know if I can co-sign that one.

Don't worry AA -- I still love ya buddy.