now its a muff thread with 6 pages off topic

[Bassus Sanguinis]

And, dubkitty, are you positive that Hitler himself was into the whole Thule Society stuff? From what I knew it was mainly the second line, Goebbels and I think Himmler that were so attached to the occult.

This is my understanding as well. I've read a ton of books on the Third Reich, and everything that is occultish or really out-there wacky shit is from Himmler. I think he was easily the craziest of the lot, surpassing even Hitler himself. Himmler was also the source of all the Norse gods bullshit that sprang up.

There was also this one meeting (those guys kept ridiculous notes on everything) in which Himmler suggested some kind of really heinous mass murder plan of concentration camp inmates, and Hitler commented something to the effect of "Don't you think that is a little excessive?"

So yeah, if Hitler himself is telling you that you've gone too far, you're officially the most evil fucker ever.

Really, majority of Nazi movement were just avarage Protestant Christians living up to the Zeitgeist. Like everybody else were doing, and a lot of racial issues were on for long after the Nazi regime was put off, all around the Western world - but I digress.

The Nazi connection doesn't make the Christians any worse people, does it? Nor does Christianity give any extra grimness to the Nazi regime terror, does it?

The Thule Society, as intriguing as it is, always remained a fringe project of Goebbels for the Aryan cultural renovation. I can't tell how much influence Heidegger had on Goebbels, if any, but it's possible - and it doesn't reduce even Heideggers philosophical significance either, does it?

But any Masonic activity, including any fringe Masonic orders like Crowleys O.T.O. or the German version Fraternitas Saturni were NOT seen as the Aryan choise of the Thule Society, rather they were all suppressed by the proper ideological machinery. Nor were the Nazis politics ever considered a smart wagon to try jump in by O.T.O. or F.S.. There was no reason to, thelemite circles had their own - though very small - wagon already by then, among the rest of the Western esoteric societies.

Besides, Crowley hardly can be seen as a Brother of the Black Lodge, that is a Black magician, from his point of view, and he most certainly did not worship Satan nor serve any Gods in that sense.

And he mindcontroll issue? Crowleys famous sense of humor. Anybody who has spent more than a few hours on Crowleys books and read more about the subject knows that it was his personal evil joke to poke fun at the goody two shoes Dion Fortune who was being apalled by Crowley already. They (A.C., D.F. and a third party, who? Can't remember right now.) were discussing the English occult society uniting its power for anti-Nazi ritual, Crowley popped that the situation was already been handled by him.

93
WOW How did I miss all this!
This is what I get for playing music instead of talking about it!
eatyourguitar you are way off Maybe people are attacking you because you attacked my Prophet.
You are way off on Crowley and I seriously doubt you have read any of his writings. Crowley did not paint. At least not very well.
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...at least not too well to be called an artist, though he is often credited for his strong sense of colors, expressionistic use of prime colors.

Been waiting for You to join the party what kept You? The Nazi moon base #666?

first I want to apologize for offending anyone. you all have the right to believe whatever you want to believe and I was out of line to start shit in completed DIY. what bothers me most though is how people handle it. why would I want to post here if everything I say is going to be ignored or flamed. you can say that my tactic is calling people naive but you all have your tactics for flaming me and that seems to be socially acceptable. I gave up already. I'd much rather keep all of you as friends so we can talk about pedals. lets just forget about it. do we really need to be at each others throats on a pedal website? of course your gonna quote me and flame it some more. go ahead. get it over with so we can move on.

P.S. the irony here is I was just gonna ask everyone about building an IC muff and I didn't even get to ask cause I was so passionately bashing someone who people obviously have a lot of respect for. I guess thats my punishment.

Can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs it's all good,

[CBA]

P.S. the irony here is I was just gonna ask everyone about building an IC muff and I didn't even get to ask cause I was so passionately bashing someone who people obviously have a lot of respect for. I guess thats my punishment.

This is the best IC Muff clone I've heard:

http://www.stompunderfoot.com/PUMPKIN_PI.html

Fun and relatively cheap.


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[SPACERITUAL]

Liber AL my guiding principles.....very nazi...

1. Man has the right to live by his own law—



to live in the way that he wills to do:



to work as he will:



to play as he will:



to rest as he will:



to die when and how he will.



2. Man has the right to eat what he will:



to drink what he will:



to dwell where he will:



to move as he will on the face of the earth.



3. Man has the right to think what he will:



to speak what he will:



to write what he will:



to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:



to dress as he will.



4. Man has the right to love as he will:—



"take your fill and will of love as ye will,



when, where, and with whom ye will." —AL. I. 51



5. Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.

[phantasmagorovich]

I haven't heard it in person, but this one has sparked my interest.

Made by Mike '78 IC Muff.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5a2o4Flnqk[/youtube]


(Yes, let's talk pedals!)


On this matter:

[tuffteef]

i dont know that dudes name in the video but hes super thin now haha wth happened

[dubkitty]

I'm inspired to make a pedal with the most inflammatory and offensive images on it.

i still want a pedal called the Hollywood Starwhacker with a picture of Susan Atkins on it.

[dubkitty]

the formatting for this is going to be tricky with the nested blockquotes and shit:

And, dubkitty, are you positive that Hitler himself was into the whole Thule Society stuff? From what I knew it was mainly the second line, Goebbels and I think Himmler that were so attached to the occult.

This is my understanding as well. I've read a ton of books on the Third Reich, and everything that is occultish or really out-there wacky shit is from Himmler. I think he was easily the craziest of the lot, surpassing even Hitler himself. Himmler was also the source of all the Norse gods bullshit that sprang up.

from everything i've read that isn't excessively speculative in nature, Hitler was at least strongly influenced by the Thule Society/OSTARA magazine set and held some occult beliefs; however, his interest in these matters was less than that of other high-ranking Nazis. Himmler was perhaps the most obvious example of this, what with the pseudo-mystic feudal-order aspects of the SS, searches for Tibetian secrets and the Holy Grail, and whatnot, but IIRC Rosenberg and Hess (who, for the non-history-obsessed, was Hitler's personal secretary) were also particularly notable for their occult interests. much of Himmler's faux Aryanism was cobbled together from interwar Thule/OSTARA-type ideas, but those ideas didn't create the Holocaust any more than did the philosophers who are often blamed for Naziism. even if you're going to try to lay Naziism on Nietszche's "whatever is done for love is beyond good and evil," it's not the idea that made men killers, it's the logical error of equating that statement to "it is excusable to do evil in the service of something you define as 'good' by defining your desired 'good' as 'love'."

in general i agree with much of Bassus' take on these matters, though as i've said i think German neo-Norse faux-paganism served as more of a philosophical underpinning of the Reich than he does. he is absolutely accurate to point out that occult organizations, lodges, and sects which were not favored by the Nazis were ruthlessly supressed very early in Hitler's reign, and i'll point out as well that many of the remaining pro-Nazi astrologers and other mystics were eliminated by 1944.

i find myself in the odd position of being kind of in the middle range on this question. i'm not particularly a fan of Crowley--in a nutshell, i think his writings had the unfortunate effect of attracting to potentially dangerous things the attention of people unqualified to cope with same (and yes, i know AC specifically warned about this at length)--but to impute the kind of unseen-controlling-hand-of-Evil effect to Crowley as does the OP IMO is not supportable. and i'm someone who takes questions of good/evil exceedingly seriously.

the one thing i've got to put the boot in about, though, is the purported "mind control" in the music of the Beatles and Rolling Stones. i thought the Beatles' backwards messages thing had been settled decades ago as examples of John/Paul fucking with the impressionable consumer; the only definitive association between the Beatles and AC is that John asked that Crowley be included among his choices for the faces in the crowd on the cover of Sergeant Pepper's. Sabbath have been on record in interviews since the beginning as being anti-"Satanic," and Ozzy's Crowley song isn't a celebration but rather depicts him as something of a horror-show character.

connecting the dots only draws a picture if you connect the correct dots.

[BlindtoFaith]

I haven't heard it in person, but this one has sparked my interest.

Made by Mike '78 IC Muff.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5a2o4Flnqk[/youtube]


(Yes, let's talk pedals!)


On this matter:

I am pretty sure Mike(who made the Crowley pedal in question)....used the schematic and layout that Mike(made by mike) posted. Hahahaha. Mine does not have the tone circuit bypass and I am not sure why Mike did not include that feature. I can tell you that through my cranked Plexi I get a perfect Siamese Dream tone. This pedal rules all around though. Very different from a normal muff. Less sustain and kind of harsher. I love it so far. Def not a one trick pony with the whole SP thing.

[plhogan]

Its an interesting mark of human nature that some of us need to invent insane scenarios to be able to make sense of awful tragedies.

Maybe it's a useful trait, maybe some people just cant accept a world where evil people can do such evil things so they create these stories for comfort.

My problem with it is sharing them, I dont think anyone realizes how actually offensive it is to a Holocaust survivor to spout these theories, or crazy 9/11 conspiracies.

[phantasmagorovich]

Its an interesting mark of human nature that some of us need to invent insane scenarios to be able to make sense of awful tragedies.

Maybe it's a useful trait, maybe some people just cant accept a world where evil people can do such evil things so they create these stories for comfort.

My problem with it is sharing them, I dont think anyone realizes how actually offensive it is to a Holocaust survivor to spout these theories, or crazy 9/11 conspiracies.

My problem with them is that by comforting yourself in such theory you might be led to believe that you're immune. "If it wasn't ordinary people who did this evil, if I am an ordinary guy, conclusion is that I won't be able to do such evil." Easy but wrong line of thought. Also it is kind of an excuse for the evil-doers. "So, yes, these guys apparently did all this evil, but they're not to blame, cause they were puppets of this other guy. He's to blame." Nope, it was them. Of course every german family has its own folk tale how grandpa wasn't involved, but I'll just skip that part and say: This "them" includes the ordinary people, like my grandparents. Being german is a pain in the ass, cause you always see trip-wires in the thoughts of everyone about Nazi-ism and the holocaust. This one is a pretty obvious though.

That said, I also had a short discussion about these matters with eatyourguitar which ended very nicely. So, no beef or flaming, I'm just talking about stuff that moves me a lot right here.

[eatyourguitar]

@phantasmagorovich
I see your point now. I'm starting to understand how you feel.

if everyone is okay with it, I think we can talk about the IC muff in here so I dont have to make a new thread. I have been trying to figure out if I can make an IC muff with a diode IC and a quad transistor IC. people have done it but documentation is spotty. here is what I found. the IC's are listed above their respective single transistor equivalents.

transistor array 14 pin dip
MPQ3904
NTE2321

discrete transistors
2N3904
2N5088

quad schottky diode array
UC3611

also somewhat related, I got 50 2n5133 from smallbear and I have the highest gains in the lot to be Hfe 350 300 250 200. this is going into the original triangle muff v1 PCB clone I got from Peps1 on ILF. the ic muff is probably gonna be perf cause of the two IC's. I have 6 gruntbox PCB's and one of them is going to be NBABMF's jackalope mod. I'm goin muff crazy. I never knew that smashing pump today was that ic muff sound. pretty cool cause I grew up listening to it and my sound always comes back to the late 90's like my 96 fender strat that I bought in 2009.

[Derelict78]

but the subject of this thread is "Aleister Crowley Nazi debate thread, seriously"
I just want to instill that you can say what you want and I wont think any less of you its your Will right?
To avoid looking like an ass you may want to look into the subject you are about to rant on.
Lying about reading lots of Crowley does not help either. There are always people around to call you on things like this.
@SPACERITUAL Your quote is from Liber OZ whitch has quotes fron liber AL, Liber AL is Liber AL vel Legis "The Book of the Law"
Love is the Law Love under Will

[eatyourguitar]

To avoid looking like an ass you may want to look into the subject you are about to rant on.

this is very much pulling me back into the discussion but I already decided that I'm not going to do it. I have too much respect for all of you here to say horrible things about your heros if its going to be perceived as nothing other than maliciousness. its pretty much over now I think. we all shook hands. now its a muff thread.

[Bassus Sanguinis]

To avoid looking like an ass you may want to look into the subject you are about to rant on.

this is very much pulling me back into the discussion but I already decided that I'm not going to do it. I have too much respect for all of you here to say horrible things about your heros if its going to be perceived as nothing other than maliciousness. its pretty much over now I think. we all shook hands. now its a muff thread.

Ooo-kay, so, in that case, case closed, without mind control tricks. Let's start a whole new IC MUFF thread to replace this renamed so this will sink away in timely manner and the future readers will not be misguided off topic by the first pages content, eh?

Note: making this a thread of its own in the first place took the heat from the DIY forum and I think You did the right thing starting this thread, though it started on the wrong foot, perhaps.

Note two: though we might have major differences in opinion - me being right of course - here's to You for being a sport and loving the fuzz.

[SPACERITUAL]

LOL @ constant title changes