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D.O.S. dropping lots of science.

Trump also says that we have a big problem with political correctness, if that indicates anything.

Nailed it.

D.o.S. wrote:I think it's interesting how a lot of the people who say things about 'political correctness' are actually trying to steer the conversations away from topics they deem uncomfortable. Not saying that's what you're doing here.

There are for sure people that use the term PC or "thats PC" as a means to shut down any criticism of their outlooks/world view. That is not the case for all people though, of course. And that highlights the nuance of opinions and views on a given issue or term. And people - on the left, primarily - will find the worst cases of people using PC as a cover, and exemplify them as the status quo of those that are interested in discussing PC and how it is problematic.

The Left is great at name calling and labeling without providing evidence for their claims. The Right can do this too, of course - we're all human - but the Left has the terms - and the consequences of being labeled as such - to use as rhetorical weapons: racism, bigoted, Islamaphobic, White Supremacist. While there certainly are white supremacists - either open to the public about it in their views or closeted - not every criticism of a group's actions, like BLM, is grounded in a "White Supremacist" agenda.

Mudfuzz wrote: that is the whole point from what I can see, instead of facing shit and dealing with it and overcoming it lets just not actually really talk about it, or lets hide behind a safety zone of things that everyone is afraid of actually talking about instead of dealing with the original issue.

Actually, it's funny you say that because that is what is happening on university campuses with the abuse of terms and concepts like "safe spaces." If you can control what can and cannot be said, you can shape/create a narrative and boundaries. What can and cannot be crossed. Freedom of speech and the ability to criticize ideas is IMO an extremely important grounding for discussion and debate.

Give me an example of what you just said that has occurred in the news where people used PC as a way not to talk about things - that is, using it as a an offensive measure to avoid conversation. Usually, PC is invoked in a defensive manner - i.e. criticism of Islam (an ideology) gets labeled "Islamaphobic"

D.o.S. wrote:Right. "We can't talk about it because it wouldn't be politically correct" usually tends to mean "people might call me on my bullshit so I'll just pout about it"

Ok, no I'm confused. Are you being critical of those that complain about the usage of PC as a means to block conversation? - I.e. usually people on the Right that complain about the Left using?

It goes both ways. I pay attention to team sports for a living, but that's now how I approach politics.

Yes, it does go both ways, I agree. I wasn't sure if you were referring to a particular usage of PC.

Though it doesn't mean two wrongs make a right either.

Is it bad that I want to vote for Trump only because I think he will bring the destruction of humanity the quickest of all candidates?

Strange Tales wrote:Is it bad that I want to vote for Trump only because I think he will bring the destruction of humanity the quickest of all candidates?

No, but you're obligated to vote for Chris Christie as a write-in candidate.

Chankgeez wrote:

Strange Tales wrote:Is it bad that I want to vote for Trump only because I think he will bring the destruction of humanity the quickest of all candidates?

No, but you're obligated to vote for Chris Christie as a write-in candidate.

Resemblance to the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man? "Choose your slor!"

Strange Tales wrote:Is it bad that I want to vote for Trump only because I think he will bring the destruction of humanity the quickest of all candidates?

No. I kind of want to as well. Not necessarily cause I think he'll bring about the destruction of humanity but because I'm kind of tired of the bullshit from the left and I'm kind of curious how he would actually do.

This country is so far to the right by any make or metric that statement actually makes no sense.

This country is so far up its own ass that none of this shit makes sense.

D.o.S. wrote:This country is so far to the right by any make or metric that statement actually makes no sense.

Give me examples. A problem is people are caught in this Left/Right dichotomy and metric where issues get lumped together that don't necessarily belong together and then pooled into each party.

I support gay marriage, women's right to choose/access to abortion, need action towards climate change. I don't support the inability to have honest discussions about terrorism and Islamism without being labeled as xenophobic or Islamaphobic - something the left has very much caved to.

I support the need for criminal justice reform but I also support open discussion, and often any criticism about people of color's agency regarding their lives is blasted as racist. The whole BLM is a joke. They're not a big movement because many black people don't agree with their overly simplistic approach, and often any criticism about BLM - by other black people - gets met with those people being labeled house ni**ers. It's insane. The is a ideological disease amongst the left where they are becoming fascistic and anti frees-speech by way of claiming things are offensive, and misusing terms like "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings," utilizing them as rhetorical tools to shut down discussion with people that disagree with them. Did you see those girls that interrupted Bernie in Seattle? Fucking children.

The left has also caved to the narrative that it's all about the terrible cops - as a whole. There certainly are bad cops: look at the guy in Oklahoma that was charged with multiple sexual assaults on women of color. Or near Ferguson MO where cops where targeting people of color and ticketing them for all kinds of crazy stuff to raise revenues for the city. That kind of behavior is completely fucked, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad: classic throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Cops are human beings, as are the people they interact with. People too easily forget that and want to demonize them, and people on the right will easily demonize people shot by the cops as "thugs" (though some are for sure) and not empathize with those people.

I would like to see some medicare for all like Bernie is proposing.

We're certainly on the right, or far right, regarding climate change.

Mudfuzz wrote:

Strange Tales wrote:Is it bad that I want to vote for Trump only because I think he will bring the destruction of humanity the quickest of all candidates?

as long as you understand that will be the outcome… or if you want the same thing but slower to get to the cliff before we all jump of and swim to oblivion and more smug… Hillary.

yup

Strange Tales wrote:Is it bad that I want to vote for Trump only because I think he will bring the destruction of humanity the quickest of all candidates?

as long as you understand that will be the outcome… or if you want the same thing but slower to get to the cliff before we all jump of and swim to oblivion and more smug… Hillary.

Faldoe wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:This country is so far to the right by any make or metric that statement actually makes no sense.

Give me examples.

Health care, the death penalty, the rights of corporations, the general delineation of the public and private sectors, the powers of the police state, Climate change. Pick a topic, look at the worldwide spectrum, and you will find the USA's public policies to the Right of the mean.

'Centrist' American politics are Right wing politics, generally speaking. This is about as arguable as "the sun rises in the East" and isn't really something that needs examples unless you've never been exposed to a single iota of the developed world's political leanings.

Faldoe wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:people are caught in this Left/Right dichotomy and metric where issues get lumped together that don't necessarily belong together and then pooled into each party.

That is because the actual ideas of liberal and conservative and how they assimilated into a prepackaged sellable RED/BLUE concept have been over refined and skewed to the point where the average person doesn't understand what is sane and what is insane and what is real and what is not.