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This is where I point out that the last two winning slogans for non-incumbent Democrats were 'change' and 'hope.' Primary and General Campaign Obama represented the most progressive vision since McGovern and won the closest thing we'll see to a landslide in the contemporary political milieu.

Yeah, fuck moderates. Playing to them is how we got where we are.
Also fuck baby yoda, I hope a nerf eats he/she.

6:30 AM: Shit about county after county voting to become a "Second Amendment Sanctuary"
6:35 AM: "Man shot in Richmond is city’s 12th shooting since Thanksgiving"

DONT TAKE AWAY ARE FREEDUMS

Blackened Soul wrote: Also fuck baby yoda, I hope a nerf eats he/she.

I don't particularly care about Baby Yoda. I just think Baby Yoda'd win the election.

jirodreamsofdank wrote:LOL, the "Global Strategy Group" are campaign consultants for centrist Democrats. Shocking that their party line is "you have to appeal to (white) moderates."

Democrats win 85+% of the votes of black Americans, election after election and since the GOP has become more openly racist, large majorities of other minority groups.
Depressing minority turnout is the key to the GOP winning anything nationally - hence, concerted efforts at voter intimidation and suppression. Hillary fed them an own goal on that front by doing things like not campaigning in Michigan - and pointedly trying to appeal to those vaunted moderate swing voters. See also, Chuck Schumer's line about hoovering up 'moderate Republicans in the suburbs.'

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-aven ... r-turnout/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/re ... -election/

The bases for the Democratic Party are the working class (see that number re: people earning less than $50k) and minorities (in large part because those two categories overlap) - they have to be excited to vote, as they were in 2008 and (to a lesser extent) 2012. When Democrats don't aggressively get those people to the polls, they lose - 2000, 2004, 2016. Nominating dull centrists and hoping to swing Republican votes is a losing move. Trump has in-party approval that rivals W Bush on 9/12.

You respond to the source with a horse laugh fallacy and dismiss them cause they are "centrist:" another fallacy. What is inaccurate about the quote. Did you read the article for which it is referring?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/05/ ... xiety.html

Give examples of the GOP being openly racist? I do not doubt there are republicans that appeal to racism, i.e. Steve King, but is to be for enforcing the border racist in and of itself? I'm using that as an example because currently the tone from the raising voices on the Left that are influencing the Dem party are framing it that if you support immigration law and border security you're a racist. And again, a perfect dichotomy that won't help bring people to support Democrats in 2020 if they keep that up. Just like calling Trump supporters "deplorables."

Bush looked bad and Obama was a great public speaker. My uncle that tends to vote Republican voted for Obama cause he liked him in 08.' Obama though was appealing to a union of the country and about it's fundamental creeds. MLK appealed to those as well and I'd argue it was he and those that took a reasoned, moral approach to civil rights that got us to here today. Not the radicals that merely talked shit about how flawed the country was and is.

I appreciate aspects of Bernie - calling out corporate welfare and the GOP's hypocrisy when it comes to them warning of socialism/big gov support while they support it in that way. Or wanting to overturn citizens united, but Bernie may loose people with the increase of taxes on the middle class. He is promising too much under the guise of "free." The billionaires can't pay for it all. Granted of course they should pay their fair share of taxes.

Regarding the Brookings link: That is good as it shows people will not participate and then also complain about the state of things after not participating.

For all the true shit we can say about the GOP they are organized and people vote.

It's amazing how many people are throwing the baby out with the bathwater in the US all the while not realizing the freedoms they have. Fun times.

Faldoe wrote: You respond to the source with a horse laugh fallacy and dismiss them cause they are "centrist:" another fallacy. What is inaccurate about the quote.

FALLACY, I SAY FALLACY SIR.

What is inaccurate about the quote? Well... everything. It's an analysis of how 2016 came to be that doesn't bear up to scrutiny - and coming from an organization with a vested interest in that line, should be rightfully mocked and derided.

Did you read the article for which it is referring?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/05/ ... xiety.html

Yes, certain parts of the media are heavily invested in the narrative of 'economic anxiety,' we've seen

Again, though: the election was swung by ~50k votes spread over three states. Two states where Hillary ate shit because of poor campaign strategy, leading to minority voters - who range from ~65% Democratic to ~90% Democratic - not showing up to the poll in Wisconsin and Michigan where they're absolutely crucial to offset the white suburbanite/rural vote.

Give examples of the GOP being openly racist?

Would you like all of the examples from 1964 onward? For fuck's sake, since Goldwater the GOP has openly been a party of white resentment - by saying the quiet part loud they've become openly white nationalist but it's always been there. Helms' "Black Hands" video, Reagan's "welfare queens," HW Bush's Willie Horton ad, GW Bush having to campaign at a segregationist college to win in 2000, Louisiana Republicans nominating David Motherfuckin Duke in 1990.

Lee Atwater - "You start out in 1954 by saying, “[EDITED], [EDITED], [EDITED].” By 1968 you can’t say “[EDITED]”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “[EDITED], [EDITED].”

There's no such thing as a good Republican.

Faldoe wrote: Give examples of the GOP being openly racist? I do not doubt there are republicans that appeal to racism, i.e. Steve King, but is to be for enforcing the border racist in and of itself? I'm using that as an example because currently the tone from the raising voices on the Left that are influencing the Dem party are framing it that if you support immigration law and border security you're a racist. And again, a perfect dichotomy that won't help bring people to support Democrats in 2020 if they keep that up. Just like calling Trump supporters "deplorables."

Someone isn't paying attention to Virgina's redistricting saga.

Faldoe wrote:I'm using that as an example because currently the tone from the raising voices on the Left that are influencing the Dem party are framing it that if you support immigration law and border security you're a racist. And again, a perfect dichotomy that won't help bring people to support Democrats in 2020 if they keep that up. Just like calling Trump supporters "deplorables."

Wait, wait, wait. It was a moderate establishment Democrat that called Trump supporters "deplorables". You're not really talking about the left, are you? You're just worried about aggressive, confrontational candidates alienating people with hyperbole? If so, I don't wholly disagree with you, but that's not really an issue with the presidential candidates who are furthest to the left, so what's the problem? It's more of an issue with Buttigieg than Warren, and he's about as boring and whitebread as moderates come. There are some progressives in congress who definitely have a tendency to phrase things more aggressively than I think is necessary or helpful. The things they believe and say are not wrong, but obviously drawing hard lines doesn't do anything to win over anyone who doesn't already agree with them, which seems like a pretty stupid strategy for accomplishing much, even if it makes for good soundbytes. Warren and Sanders aren't anything like that, though. Bernie says everything angrily, but everything he says is pretty measured. It's possible to talk about the problems with immigration law and border security, which are indeed finely entangled with racism, without making accusations against people who may not have all the facts or may not have put much thought into the issue.

Faldoe wrote:Give examples of the GOP being openly racist? I do not doubt there are republicans that appeal to racism, i.e. Steve King, but is to be for enforcing the border racist in and of itself?

The Mexican people have a beautifully poetic phrase for posts like this:

"mucho retardo"

It baffles me that people continue to act as if Republicans say or do anything in good faith. They don’t. That people continue to act as if they do suggests complicity or frontal lobe damage.

Or maybe both.

Don't get me wrong, virtually all elected Republicans and the entirety of the diehard Republican base are about as transparently committed to bad faith power grabs and holding on to the white man's world as it's possible to be, and I think moderates are extremely dangerous for legitimizing that. I'm just saying there are also a lot of people out there who have opinions steeped in ignorance or tradition or perceived public opinion, who just haven't thought about or been exposed to the things that might turn around their thinking. For those people, making statements like the one I'm currently making just alienates them, when they haven't necessarily yet planted their flag. So, I agree with Faldoe to the extent that he thinks educating people in the middle is a better general strategy for the world than "other"ing them, even if I agree with the underlying ideas behind most of the hyperbole on the left. I don't agree with propping up the Republican agenda by pandering to the middle on the basis that the world isn't ready yet, but I do think the left needs to do a better job of helping the world get ready.

I'll "plant" my flag:

Touché.

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