Nice to have all you guys here, now I don't have to lurk over at HC. Long time fan of the doom room, feels like a strange thing to confess. I did sign up over there the first time they fucked with the forum, but when they reverted back to the old layout my account got deleted and I couldn't be arsed going through it again. Learned lots from everyone's posting over the years, looking forward to more delicious Dunwich porn and tasty riffs.
AngryGoldfish wrote:I agree, bands that set out to be a certain style normally end up failing. The best bands, IMO, are the ones that truly create something unique, and they're that way naturally. Deftones, for example, don't really fit into any one category. They invented a whole new sub-sub-genre that was entirely pure and organic.
Well, the Deftones started out wanting to be HUM. But yeah, the key is to steal from lots of bands, not just one.
H18 wrote:That reminds me of a Neurosis show I went to. I will not name the opening band, but when I got there I said "fuck, did Neurosis start already?" and then realized it was the opener. They took the stock parts of Neurosis songs, stretched and repeated ad nauseum, for wayyy to long. I would have been embarrassed to be in that band. They almost detracted from Neurosis's set because by the time N. went on, I was a little tired of the slow heavy churn. But then of course, N. blew my socks out my ass so everything was okay.
Amen Ra? I find them pretty derivative. I admire what they're trying to do, but so much of that post-rock and metal stuff is walking a road Neurosis have been travelling for thirty years. I think U.S. Christmas are great through, they're on a similar path (and even share a lot of thematic ground with Neurosis) but doing their own totally unique thing.
new05002 wrote:Most amps are price gouged.
Sound City, Sunn, Marshall, Ampegs, Fenders even now those ones the blues lawyers hate from the 70s, Orange, Matamp. You cant even pick up anything for cheap unless the person is a moron
Blame the internet, really. The only true bargains left are unknown brands, here in NZ there were a bunch of local amp manufacturers who existed because of high import duties prior to the late 80s, that made overseas musical equipment prohibitively expensive. Often deals would be struck with touring bands who came here to leave their stuff behind! I'm guessing there's probably similar offbrands and clones elsewhere in the world.
D-Day wrote:black mess wrote:Even gear-wise: a few years ago everybody and their mothers was buying Fender amps and offset guitars and playing weepy post-rock stuff. I feel like stoner and doom are taking that place now, I've never seen so many people playing SGs and Orange amps as I see nowadays.
The sad thing there is that so many would rather just buy the gear some other guy has than
really think about how many ways there are to skin this cat. You can sure get just as much stoned out doom sound outta Fender goods as SG's and Oranges. I don't mean to say that those items sound identical, just that they can be wielded in equally 'heavy' fashion.
There are so many great stoner/doom tones, that can be achieved so many ways, you can play any guitar, use amp dirt, fuzzes, all you really need is feel, and volume (and sometimes you don't even need that! Shit, I saw a Scott Kelly solo performance that was one of the heaviest things I've ever seen).
live-i-evil wrote:Then there's also Alvin Luciere with his minimalist piece I'm Sitting in a Room. This is also more experimental as far as minimalism goes and wikipedia's summation of it illustrates it better than I could - Luciere is sitting in a room recording himself narrating a text, and then playing the recording back into the room, re-recording it. The new recording is then played back and re-recorded, and this process is repeated. Since all rooms have characteristic resonance or formant frequencies (e.g. different between a large hall and a small room), the effect is that certain frequencies are emphasized as they resonate in the room, until eventually the words become unintelligible, replaced by the pure resonant harmonies and tones of the room itself.
Not to harp on about Neurosis... There's a bonus feature on the A Sun That Never Sets DVD where Neurosis repeat this setup. aha.
I'll post up some kiwi shit for you guys when I get home from work, I think we've got a few bands you'll enjoy.
I like you guys
