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Well think of it this way. A carb and a protein equals a complete protein. That's why a lot of time they couple rice with beans, the carbs and proteins bind together and breakdown more efficiently when used together. You need a quick release carbohydrate after a workout to restore your energy levels. You could have an apple, pear, gummie bears, sugar sticks...whatever. Something that quickly spikes your blood sugar. You body will instantly use it as energy and you'll gain no fat from it.

You could be deficient in test or another hormone but the only way to determine that would be a blood test.

I consider myself very, very good at putting on muscle mass. A lot of people hire me for this specific reason as well. I know how to bulk. It's the other part I have trouble with! HAH! You need protein, carbs, good fats, water, creatine, beta alanine, and more protein.

jwar wrote:Well think of it this way. A carb and a protein equals a complete protein. That's why a lot of time they couple rice with beans, the carbs and proteins bind together and breakdown more efficiently when used together. You need a quick release carbohydrate after a workout to restore your energy levels. You could have an apple, pear, gummie bears, sugar sticks...whatever. Something that quickly spikes your blood sugar. You body will instantly use it as energy and you'll gain no fat from it.

You could be deficient in test or another hormone but the only way to determine that would be a blood test.

I consider myself very, very good at putting on muscle mass. A lot of people hire me for this specific reason as well. I know how to bulk. It's the other part I have trouble with! HAH! You need protein, carbs, good fats, water, creatine, beta alanine, and more protein.

Thanks man. I've gathered that from talking to a lot of people and reading a bunch. This article sums up what I've been reading, although I'm not sure that I'm following his logic for how to eat throughout the day
http://eattoperform.com/2013/03/16/huma ... e-friends/

I feel like 90% of the advice I read online is geared towards guys that are either looking to lose fat and tone up/build muscle, or natural mesomorphs. I just haven't found any good testimonials by skinny guys who got bigger, and almost everything I've tried hasn't produced great results, even when I'm eating all of the "right" stuff in huge quantities (with lots of digestive enzymes. . .). The only thing I admit I haven't done is gotten a damn gym membership. I've always used crazy at-home, bodyweight type stuff, like sandbags (pushups with a 50lb backpack) handstand pushups, and squats with sand bags. I'm trying to find a gym so that I can work into heavy squats and maybe some deadlifts, as I've always read that those are great for hormone release and general bulking.

Well, my arm was fine all week last week with some minor twinges. I worked out with the kettlebell on Monday, it was fine all night. Then yesterday morning it started throbbing and was even a bit swollen. I know I should be good and give it rest but that just leaves me with running. Then I lose all the weight I worked to gain. I wish there was a really cheap gym where I could just pay $10 or something so that I could go in and do squats or something.

Just went to the gym for the first time in about nine years.
My brother-in-law needed someone with whom to work out, and he can actually instruct me on form and junk.
We did back and shoulders today. Tomorrow is chest.

foomanfat wrote:Just went to the gym for the first time in about nine years.
My brother-in-law needed someone with whom to work out, and he can actually instruct me on form and junk.
We did back and shoulders today. Tomorrow is chest.

Be prepared to be sore as fuck in like 2 days.

So I haven't updated what's going on with me. Dunno if anyone cares. LOL.

Ok so I hired a bodybuilding coach. Yes a personal trainer hired a trainer. I need it.

He's got me on a strict diet for an 18 week cut. My exercises have all changed as well. Doing lots of negative reps. They are brutal as fuck.

I've lost 6 lbs of water weight in 2 days. INSANE. I was carrying around too much. Making me look bloated.

I'll update as I progress.

jwar wrote:Doing lots of negative reps. They are brutal as fuck.

YES. I started doing gymnastic-style strength training about a month ago. Adding in a 6x3 set of negative/eccentric handstand pushups on the parallettes has worked wonders for my "Arm gains." I have to watch it, though, because overdoing it makes my tricep tendons pretty mad. I have to watch my form real close.

On another note, it's finally getting pretty nice, pretty consistently outside here and my running instinct is chiming in. I want to know if there's any chance in hell I can still do a couple longish runs (4-6 miles) each week and still gain some strength and size with the other stuff. There is an infinite black hole of information on the internet and it takes SO MUCH TIME to read it all.

I have never found a good balance either between long runs and keeping strength and quickness.
For me it's not as much about building muscle mass as it is about the difference between 5k shape and basketball shape.

would love to see someone weigh in on that

hbombgraphics wrote:I have never found a good balance either between long runs and keeping strength and quickness.
For me it's not as much about building muscle mass as it is about the difference between 5k shape and basketball shape.

would love to see someone weigh in on that

Pretty much. I stay in snowboard shape by playing basketball and jumping rope because fuck running, but some excercises for, you know, actual sports exertion would be pretty appreciated (snow is melting fast )

I'm training and long range running right now. He does marathons, halfs...and the like. I've got dude to pack on 7 lbs of solid muscle and tripled his strength in less than 2 months. Of course my expertise is building muscle mass. So I know lots of tricks. He's still really thin, but it's helped his runs a LOT.

gunslinger_burrito wrote:

jwar wrote:Doing lots of negative reps. They are brutal as fuck.

YES. I started doing gymnastic-style strength training about a month ago. Adding in a 6x3 set of negative/eccentric handstand pushups on the parallettes has worked wonders for my "Arm gains." I have to watch it, though, because overdoing it makes my tricep tendons pretty mad. I have to watch my form real close.

On another note, it's finally getting pretty nice, pretty consistently outside here and my running instinct is chiming in. I want to know if there's any chance in hell I can still do a couple longish runs (4-6 miles) each week and still gain some strength and size with the other stuff. There is an infinite black hole of information on the internet and it takes SO MUCH TIME to read it all.

Dude it's crazy when you add a negative to the eccentric and concentric. OMG. I did this a couple times on accident, LOL, and my muscles are so fucking sore I can barely move.

My coach has me doing a mixture of times for negatives as well as standard lifts. A fuck ton of deadlifts. UGH. I did 72 the other day. I think that's the most I've done in a single setting and I have to do it every week for six weeks. OH and 200 abdominal exercise reps of my choice. ABS sore to the max!!!

Gymnastic style workouts are hard as hell. I'd love to be able to do some of the stuff those dudes do.

Did the coolest thing this morning: Took my 10 year old running.
She wants to get into running, and we made a deal that if she can get in three runs a week for three weeks I will get her legit running shoes (currently running in air max 90s)
It was pretty awesome
Did a mile (with some walking) and planning on going out tomorrow. Hoping she will put the work in.

love that this thread is still rolling.

also: My wife snagged a hiking backpack for the baby so for about an hour a day I have been toting around an 8 month old. I feel like that is better than any gym workout I could do. Want to get the conditioning up for longer hikes this summer.

Started going back to the gym, and eating better again.

jwar wrote:I'm training and long range running right now. He does marathons, halfs...and the like. I've got dude to pack on 7 lbs of solid muscle and tripled his strength in less than 2 months. Of course my expertise is building muscle mass. So I know lots of tricks. He's still really thin, but it's helped his runs a LOT.

That's good news for me

I've never weighed more than something like 160 pounds (170 has always been a goal if I were to really focus on bulking, but I don't want too much excess fat). I'm really enjoying the gymnastic strength stuff, because it's "functional" and I'm seeing the best gains of my life from it. But I really, really, like running. I'd like to get up to just two 6-mile runs a week. I'm hoping that won't be too much so that I can still be able to gain strength and a size from the gymnastic stuff at the same time. I'm hoping that having at least two days of full rest a week will be enough. Eating my face off and pounding digestive enzymes, which is a little annoying because I'd like to rely less on supplements, but it's the only way I can absorb enough calories at this point.

I started hitting the gym again a few days ago and I am still sore as hell. Couldn't actually get out of bed the first day
Trying to work more on putting on muscle rather than toning, just got to get a routine down and work on eating better.