New gear announcements for 2022

[Gone Fission]

Retailer leaks have already tipped Eventide’s release of the H90, a dual H9 successor. Not just two H9s in a box—new ARM architecture like the H9000, all the old H9 algorithms plus some new ones and presumably with room for future additions. Two effects blocks at a time. Two full sets of stereo I/O with some routing capabilities promised. A few knobs, but only a few. $899 retail.

Not world changing but interesting. I want to to content to live with by Blackhole/Pitchfactor setup, but this is more. Hoping the headroom is significantly better than the H9. (Which I might expect if Eventide pitches this to synth and studio people as the passing-on-the-savings-to-you Eclipse replacement. Which it isn’t. At least without a lot more algorithms.)

[echorec]

https://www.gearnews.com/maestro-releas ... ts-pedals/ (vids & info)

[crochambeau]

https://www.gearnews.com/maestro-releases-second-wave-of-effects-pedals/ (vids & info)

Oh, those look pretty.

Maestro should put out weirdo stuff though, like repop the Sound Effects for Woodwinds and a tremolo in tandem with a funky drum machine.

[qersty]

Retainer leaks have already tipped Eventide’s release of the H90, a dual H9 successor. Not just two H9s in a box—new ARM architecture like the H9000, all the old H9 algorithms plus some new ones and presumably with room for future additions. Two effects blocks at a time. Two full sets of stereo I/O with some routing capabilities promised. A few knobs, but only a few. $899 retail.

Not world changing but interesting. I want to to content to live with by Blackhole/Pitchfactor setup, but this is more. Hoping the headroom is significantly better than the H9. (Which I might expect if Eventide pitches this to synth and studio people as the passing-on-the-savings-to-you Eclipse replacement. Which it isn’t. At least without a lot more algorithms.)

i want to know how more powerful than h9 it is. two h9s in a box is not that exciting but if it's based on the 9k im interested. unclear how the situation on algos is. i dont want something you still need to buy all algos for.

reminder to self to just get a real eventide instead
excitement for possibly h9 prices dipping
i dont think i really need something like this. pitch factor is more than enough for me still BUT!

https://www.gearnews.com/maestro-releases-second-wave-of-effects-pedals/ (vids & info)

no brassmaster?!

[Gone Fission]

i want to know how more powerful than h9 it is. two h9s in a box is not that exciting but if it's based on the 9k im interested. unclear how the situation on algos is. i dont want something you still need to buy all algos for.

reminder to self to just get a real eventide instead
excitement for possibly h9 prices dipping
i dont think i really need something like this. pitch factor is more than enough for me still BUT!

There’s some hints in the new polyphonic pitch shifting algo that comes with it at launch that the dsp may be substantially faster and more powerful. We’ll see if they try to quantify that in their release push. The alleged “no more space for algorithms” thing that they claimed with the H9, well, there’s space for at least a few more if not a lot more.

I would be more impressed with the release if some of the money algorithms from the rack harmonizers were there. The plex algorithms and diff-choruses, for example, do some really cool things, and Eventide has used them as building blocks for bigger algorithms, too. I’m hoping they will be porting some of this from the H9000 in the future.

I get the “I don’t need it.” I’m an extreme case with an Orville on hand. And the PF and Blackhole are absolutely wonderful to have on the floor and playing them makes me forget wanting other things. But I’m not plugged into them all the time. And sometimes you want to push an effect earlier in the signal chain. But I can just have warm thoughts that this is in my future.

This rationally means H9s should be discontinued. Dunno about the Space and -Factors—same obsolete hardware architecture, so you would think the same end-of-lifecycle production issues. Discontinuation without a direct equivalent replacement product might do weird things with used prices—used Eclipses went up 25% or so once they were discontinued.

[John]

Those Maestro pedals are just the product of another Gibson circlejerk. Wholly unremarkable set of effects in clown-suit throwback packaging that guarantees they'll never see my board.

[echorec]

H90 at $899 or Line 6 HX at $650?

Eventide has the better pedigree, but is it that much better? The HX now has so many sounds inspired by Chase Bliss, EQD, Lightfoot, and others. I'm intrigued by the bonus ports on the H90, but I'm still not convinced I could maximize it as a tool for several reasons. The desktop editor looks good, as far as those go, but if you have to spend time on a computer editing your sounds, I'd much rather have a plugin for a fraction of the cost. For people who are still touring, it makes sense to translate studio sounds to stage, but I'm just not sold on these devices in general. Eventide's choices seem so arbitrary, when it comes to what they release as plugins. I'd be so happy to see a few more algos on the desktop, but that's about it. The TimeFactor really doesn't move the needle for me at all. I like having a dedicated Space & PitchFactor, but really have no interest in the ModFactor either. I guess I'll be waiting on a TimeFactor II or an H999, before I make another major Eventide purchase.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IHS_VsH3Dg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az3px8Rz_Hg

[qersty]

i think that if they live up to how much they hype processing power it could be pretty interesting. not at all the kind of gear purchase i will make for very very long if at all. i never really were into the h9 enough to try and test one. the multitap stuff they added made it more cool. that hx point you made i have been thinking a lot about too. there probably are smarter ways to try and achieve these kinda effects

[coupleonapkins]

https://www.gearnews.com/maestro-releases-second-wave-of-effects-pedals/ (vids & info)

Oh, those look pretty.

Maestro should put out weirdo stuff though, like repop the Sound Effects for Woodwinds and a tremolo in tandem with a funky drum machine.

I totally agree, but you know, based on this second wave of pedals, none of the cool, wacky stuff will ever be reissued because of all the reasons you could probably imagine (mostly financial, but also everything else). Whatever happened to having fun?

Also, I would probably renege my anti-EHX views if they ever did a horn-based 9-series pedal, however, but maybe their overall use of cheap components would eventually allow some financial structure for such a thing (pretty sure they'll be banking on that $328 Big Muff plugin outboard thing soon enuff).

I just need to get my Rufus Harley on is all I'm sayin'



As for the Eventide, running 2 programs at once for $900 that might sound slightly better than 2 duct taped used H9s together seems about right for where we are in peddle kulture today, and I guess coasting on the laurels of the past is the best option is easier for everyone involved.

Playing it safe keeps the heat on, after all

[fool disclaimer: I did not, somehow, receive a H90 for review regarding this snarky ILF post, though I'm sure that harp lady is probably having a better time than me (don't make me click I won't dew it)].

[qersty]

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[Pepe]

I thought it was a mockup, but it is a real thing! Bwahahaha!

[Gone Fission]

As for the Eventide, running 2 programs at once for $900 that might sound slightly better than 2 duct taped used H9s together seems about right for where we are in peddle kulture today, and I guess coasting on the laurels of the past is the best option is easier for everyone involved.

Playing it safe keeps the heat on, after all

I’m an Eventide fanboy who at the same time doesn’t cut the company a lot of breaks. I’m still down on the dot9 pedals, which give a good user experience but at the cost of giving the user just one (pretty good, flexible, and useful) algorithm for that retail price. Seems like buying a few tracks off a Beatles album again in an extended digital format with special features, but not being able to get all your favorite tracks and paying a premium per song. I got a used Blackhole for Tubescreamer money and love it, but i just can’t bring myself to recommend it at retail. And I historically don’t buy new Eventide. Not that there isn’t value on some stuff, but the used market can give crazy deals.

So I don’t think I’m deluding myself that I’m coming at this skeptically. And I’m not ordering one right off. But I really like what I see so far.

The basic industrial background condition is that the H9 was built on hardware that is so old that it will soon be impractical to continue manufacturing with it. This drove the H9000 ARM architecture switch, too. So Eventide did the same for their pedal line, which is good for encouraging dsp development to be efficiently shared across their product line. And because the new ARM can do faster/more powerful without costing, they can put that in the box. And their plug-in DSP development has been going to new and interesting places.

What I’m getting from a cursory bit of attention paid to the launch is that they are giving all the H9 Max algorithms in extended/enhanced form (extra delay/reverb/looper time, extra controls, etc.), giving two dsp engines, giving flexible routing including allowing I/O to be used as loops for other pedals, enhanced analog I/O with crazy good +14 dBu headroom available. And all for barely more than a single H9 Max had cost. Oh, and new algorithms that I’m not even quite counting yet because polyphonic pitch is tricky stuff and you want to get it under your own fingers.

Eventide wants to make money and is recycling IP. This has been a constant for decades. But I think they’re offering a lot here to try to get people’s money. I’m gonna try to hold out to not pay full retail, but I’m pretty sure this will be replacing my Pitchfactor/Blackhole combo in the future.

At launch I would have liked a granular engine, all the Eclipse algorithms, VSIG, and a pony. But this seems pretty good. There are much bigger gripes to be had in the H8000—>H9000 switch, but that’s another topic.

[Bargains no longer abound for Eventide’s rack stuff, so one can’t easily look there for a value alternative anymore.]

[MechaGodzilla]

is the pedal huge or the person tiny?

[Blood_mountain]

I thought it was a mockup, but it is a real thing! Bwahahaha!

Check the Post Date:

EHX Announces the BAG9 Bagpipe Machine
April 1, 2018

[D.o.S.]

I mean you jest but the Ravish Sitar is a cool drone device and I would love the crap out of a Bagpipe-flavoured tanpura-style pedal