The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[univalve]

Nice to See so many New guys here! Welcome to ilf!

[Mudfuzz]

I hate to be a downer, but I feel like "doom" is going through the same hipster renaissance that "black metal" did. I'm not trying to dis anyone here, or anyone anywhere specifically. I'm just saying it's a zeitgeist which is a nice way of calling it trendy. Yes, The Melvins have been around for decades (and are not traditional 'doom' anyway) but it seems to me that it was one of the least mainstream forms of metal and thus akin to the really ugly clothes at Salvation Army that nobody wanted until some kids who were trying to find some fashion that hadn't been appropriated yet. Granted, doom metal is much cooler than stained bike shorts and a paisley blouse. I just don't trust anyone who doesn't make or appreciate doom "naturally"; that is, regardless of what anyone else is doing.

[/metalcurmudgeon]

Stoner rock and to a lesser degree doom, has already kinda done that and passed at least a few years ago. When Sleep first reformed there were tons of hipsters and then hipsters at High on Fire shows. Either way it won't last.

This is so, When I saw Boris on the Rainbow tour in portland the crowd was half hipsters trying to look ironic all with their little bike messenger bags... but the last time I saw them it was mostly metal people.... well... in the pit anyway... maybe their were more bored looking hipsters in the back.. I don't know for sure... I was busy enjoying a kickass show

[sonidero]

ATX...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gypLeLC5lIM[/youtube]

[Mudfuzz]

ATX...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gypLeLC5lIM[/youtube]

God I'm loving this!

[sonidero]

Sholda seen them in '93... I GOT YOUR NAME...

[samzadgan]

Not going to quote everyone on the whiskey stuff but Black Bush is awesome, as is JW Green (which they are getting rid of in the next 18 months so stock up)

As far as vodka find yourself some Russian Standard Platinum, I'm not a vodka fan but I would never turn that down.

Just got put on a waiting list for this:

wow, that looks good. never seen that anywhere...do they export or is it only in the states?

[AngryGoldfish]

If you can do that yourself I highly recommend that as a first option, its relatively cheap (maybe 5-10$ for two new pots and a cap).

It can be rough getting a new instrument and immediately finding some issues with it, I feel for you bro. I wonder what the big differences between the Japanese and the Mexican ones are. I know that in general Japanese necks tend to be thinner with smaller frets, but I'm not sure about the pickups / electronics (I do know that the jap jazzies have really shitty electronics but that may have changed for the tele's). I hope you get it sorted out soon my friend, that way we can be axe bro's!

Swapping out pots and replacing caps isn't too hard. Well, I should say that I've never done it before, but it looks easy enough since it's all PTP.

Good to see the new home of the doom room.

Anyone have any good bandcamp finds lately? It's been a few weeks since I've gone on a binge over there.

Check out SARGE, Serial Hawk, enskye, Snailking, The Lions Daughter, Fister, Reverence To Stone, Deadeyejack, and S:t Erik. That's a few bands I have saved in my bandcamp folder. I don't have all their records yet, but it's all good stuff, varying from screeching Black Metal to lazy Stoner Rock.

[AngryGoldfish]

I hate to be a downer, but I feel like "doom" is going through the same hipster renaissance that "black metal" did. I'm not trying to dis anyone here, or anyone anywhere specifically. I'm just saying it's a zeitgeist which is a nice way of calling it trendy. Yes, The Melvins have been around for decades (and are not traditional 'doom' anyway) but it seems to me that it was one of the least mainstream forms of metal and thus akin to the really ugly clothes at Salvation Army that nobody wanted until some kids who were trying to find some fashion that hadn't been appropriated yet. Granted, doom metal is much cooler than stained bike shorts and a paisley blouse. I just don't trust anyone who doesn't make or appreciate doom "naturally"; that is, regardless of what anyone else is doing.

[/metalcurmudgeon]

There aren't many Doom shows in Ireland, and if there are they're in Dublin, miles away from me. So that means I don't know the scene that well. I know about the gear side and the sitting at home listening to it side, but I listen to it on an mp3 player or while browsing gear forums on my PC, so I don't know where that puts me. I don't actually like Doom that much. Traditional Doom, to me, sounds too heavy and extreme. I like heavy instrumental Doom, but Sleep is too repetitive and drawn out for me. I like bands like YOB, Indian, Tombs, Cult of Luna, Giant Squid, Earth, bands that all blend different genres together. Indian and Tombs are Death/Black Metal and Doom, Earth is Drone and Instrumental Rock, Giant Squid is Alternative Metal and Stoner Rock, Cult of Luna is Post-Metal, and YOB are just fucking awesome.

[mathias]

Not going to quote everyone on the whiskey stuff but Black Bush is awesome, as is JW Green (which they are getting rid of in the next 18 months so stock up)

Just got a bottle of Eagle Rare for the office to replace the empty bottle of Bulleit. I think it all got consumed the same night. So my coworkers and I are really getting into bourbon. (We've also been on a fancy scotch kick after the bosses kept bringing back Bruichladdich from trips to Europe. Mmm. Octomore is so tasty.)

[John]

I hate to be a downer, but I feel like "doom" is going through the same hipster renaissance that "black metal" did. I'm not trying to dis anyone here, or anyone anywhere specifically. I'm just saying it's a zeitgeist which is a nice way of calling it trendy. Yes, The Melvins have been around for decades (and are not traditional 'doom' anyway) but it seems to me that it was one of the least mainstream forms of metal and thus akin to the really ugly clothes at Salvation Army that nobody wanted until some kids who were trying to find some fashion that hadn't been appropriated yet. Granted, doom metal is much cooler than stained bike shorts and a paisley blouse. I just don't trust anyone who doesn't make or appreciate doom "naturally"; that is, regardless of what anyone else is doing.

[/metalcurmudgeon]

There aren't many Doom shows in Ireland, and if there are they're in Dublin, miles away from me. So that means I don't know the scene that well. I know about the gear side and the sitting at home listening to it side, but I listen to it on an mp3 player or while browsing gear forums on my PC, so I don't know where that puts me. I don't actually like Doom that much. Traditional Doom, to me, sounds too heavy and extreme. I like heavy instrumental Doom, but Sleep is too repetitive and drawn out for me. I like bands like YOB, Indian, Tombs, Cult of Luna, Giant Squid, Earth, bands that all blend different genres together. Indian and Tombs are Death/Black Metal and Doom, Earth is Drone and Instrumental Rock, Giant Squid is Alternative Metal and Stoner Rock, Cult of Luna is Post-Metal, and YOB are just fucking awesome.

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating for traditional doom over other styles. I typically like my music to have some crossover in style, and I'm definitely no doom expert. I'm just reflecting on a trend I've percieved, and as a previous poster noted, it's part of the same trend of "stoner rock" and everything else that's had a resurgence.

I can't blame music fans for liking something, but I am highly skeptical of a band that sets out to be a certain style, especially when that style is experiencing a rebirth in popularity. Also I've noticed many musicians of other genres (especially -blech- FOLK, and indie pop) adding "doom" to their self-descriptions. Just throwing it on there like an internet search tag, a signifier of coolness they paste onto otherwise uncool music. They use the word "punk" that way too, and every other category that's slapped onto their shit.
[/curmudge]

[AngryGoldfish]

I agree, bands that set out to be a certain style normally end up failing. The best bands, IMO, are the ones that truly create something unique, and they're that way naturally. Deftones, for example, don't really fit into any one category. They invented a whole new sub-sub-genre that was entirely pure and organic.

[Zozobra]

I don't really worry about it. There are good bands that use doomy elements to good effect and then there are chancers who will think that 3 slowly played low tuned notes and a big muff in the middle of their set will boost their popularity. The latter come unstuck quite quickly when they share a bill with the former.

[t-rey]

That's a difficult question to answer, Mike is as much of a gear head as all of us and has used a different setup pretty much every album and tour. He used to use Electric Amps but more recently has switched over to Marshall Super Lead clones and Emperor cabs. As far as pedal's he used a Ross distortion and Compressor for a long time, but has also been spotted using a Suhr Riot and a few other different dirt boxes and I believe a Whirlwind compressor, he's also had a DOD delay on his board for ever and I'm not sure if he upgraded this or not. As far as guitars he used LP's for years but has been religiously playing his Monson custom since he got it.

Thanks - this has me questioning the whole 'amp dirt' thing entirely...

i think nowadays he is using a pigtronix compressor. Also possibly some BAT pedals. Not sure.

Thanks. Also, that Dunwich stack looks all sorts of snazzy on stage.

Any one a whisk(e)y lover? Pulled these in over the last couple of weeks:

I enjoy whiskey, but I'm more of a beer drinker. I generally drink good beer and cheap whiskey, which seems weird to me. I do have some of this tasty stuff. Had it for a couple of years - I have exactly one drink left that I'm saving for the day I have a child.

Well, I'm glad we're now just breaking Doom stereotypes.

This isn't DOOM news, but I just got back from watching Django Unchained. Pretty awesome! Go check it out now. Go on, I'll be waiting right here.

Yep - went and saw it opening night. Amazing movie.

DOOM

Destroyer limited run. Included The Oath and The Ritual.

I require further explanation. Dimed Oath and Ritual with no knobs or footswitch? That would be the doomiest pedal ever.

Anybody know if the Badascan is coming down the pipe as a production pedal? Because if it is it may be time for me to let go of my Twosome and pick up an Elements...

[John]

I don't really worry about it. There are good bands that use doomy elements to good effect and then there are chancers who will think that 3 slowly played low tuned notes and a big muff in the middle of their set will boost their popularity. The latter come unstuck quite quickly when they share a bill with the former.

Yep.

That reminds me of a Neurosis show I went to. I will not name the opening band, but when I got there I said "fuck, did Neurosis start already?" and then realized it was the opener. They took the stock parts of Neurosis songs, stretched and repeated ad nauseum, for wayyy to long. I would have been embarrassed to be in that band. They almost detracted from Neurosis's set because by the time N. went on, I was a little tired of the slow heavy churn. But then of course, N. blew my socks out my ass so everything was okay.

[Chankgeez]

DOOM

Destroyer limited run. Included The Oath and The Ritual.

I require further explanation. Dimed Oath and Ritual with no knobs or footswitch? That would be the doomiest pedal ever.

No, I think it's going to have one knob and two footswitches. It's just an Oath and a Ritual in the same box. That photo's just the raw enclosure.