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jwar wrote:This is basically why I tend to avoid this thread. It's not an open forum for discussion. It's a "you better fucking hate Trump and like Bernie or Hillary or whatever the fuck we like or get out". That's ridiculous and it makes some people looks like complete assholes.

I see dumb overly wordy rambly pointless arguments on both sides that do nothing to make any sort of point other than the howling of hairless beach apes all over this thread

I feel like this thread should die. It's a shit topic that will never end and is a major downer. Especially since when you're on the internet your intent cannot be given correctly because you are typing it out. I'm much better at explaining the way I feel or what I think in person. So personally, I feel like this thread should be dead now. The election is over and now it's just a constant reminder of people's disgust. Isn't that why we have the Spite Rage thread? Just saying.

If people were more open to others ideas and listening, I don't think there would be as much fighting. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

Mudfuzz wrote:

jwar wrote:This is basically why I tend to avoid this thread. It's not an open forum for discussion. It's a "you better fucking hate Trump and like Bernie or Hillary or whatever the fuck we like or get out". That's ridiculous and it makes some people looks like complete assholes.

I see dumb overly wordy rambly pointless arguments on both sides that do nothing to make any sort of point other than the howling of hairless beach apes all over this thread

I agree completely.

jwar wrote:If anyone talks about their views and it's outside of the liberal mindset, maybe not yourself, but other team up and throw a fucking fit and do everything they can to make that person look stupid or invalidate their opinion.
This is basically why I tend to avoid this thread. It's not an open forum for discussion. It's a "you better fucking hate Trump and like Bernie or Hillary or whatever the fuck we like or get out". That's ridiculous and it makes some people looks like complete assholes.

I'm gonna have to call bullshit there, j.

I don't know how well known it is from my posts, but I think it's been established that I'm a libertarian.
There's certainly been some opinions on that, but no one's "ganged up" on me about it, just refuted certain arguments they didn't agree with.
This is the thread I'm most active in and, so far, no one's pushed me out.

Re: "you better fucking hate Trump", I wouldn't say it's an absolute thing at all. It's mostly just, "if you can't back up your support with actual logic, you're gonna have a bad time".
No one here has infringed on other's free speech or censored them up until the point they become abusive (like saying "you're all fucking dumb"/"fuck off you absolute imbecilic infants"/"keep sucking the system's cock", etc.).
Political arguments naturally mean strong opinions, and if you can't handle counter arguments, this isn't the right thread for you (that's a universal you, by the way).

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jwar wrote:The election is over and now it's just a constant reminder of people's disgust. Isn't that why we have the Spite Rage thread? Just saying.

This is the specific reason this thread was created, though. Too many people bitching about politics in S/R/H/A/MI.

What I take from this thread is, off the pig, so...this is america, we need people to hate and fear more than inspirational hero's, more Lynette Fromme's and less glorification of heart felt babble from the peanut gallery, murderous villains inspire more love and togetherness than the martyr who preached oneness or tolerance, in their death, the dream becomes not a mission to continue but a separate looming entity we can all fall back on to pray towards when someone blows up a family owned burger joint ran by children of Islam.

That's a valid point, jwar. I'd say the tenor of the thread is reflective of the views of the majority of ILFers who choose to post in it. There's nothing I can do about that. This thread (like our political system) is far from perfect.

I try to respect everybody's opinions as long as they're likewise respectful. I may not always agree. If someone can convince me my beliefs are in error, I'll gladly change my views.

While I'm no fan of Trump, I'm also not thrilled with Clinton. Like I've maintained throughout this thread, it's the "lesser of two evils".

As far as people being made to look like assholes, I'd say that's only if they themselves allow it.

So, I'd once again like to reiterate, we should, please, try to keep this dicussion civil and respect other's beliefs.

I should also add that if people post in this thread they should be willing and able to defend what they've posted and do so in an intelligent, constructive manner.

jwar wrote:I feel like this thread should die. It's a shit topic that will never end and is a major downer. Especially since when you're on the internet your intent cannot be given correctly because you are typing it out. I'm much better at explaining the way I feel or what I think in person. So personally, I feel like this thread should be dead now. The election is over and now it's just a constant reminder of people's disgust. Isn't that why we have the Spite Rage thread? Just saying.

If people were more open to others ideas and listening, I don't think there would be as much fighting. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

I don't think this thread should die. It's 400 pages long because these things matter to people. What's wrong with a rousing debate?

As for Manny, almost every thread he starts or shows up in turns into a shitfest. He has no evidence to support his claims, so he just resorts to tossing ugly insults at anyone who disagrees with him.

I get what you guys are saying. I've just felt sort of pushed out on some of the things I've said and any kind of evidence I'd present would be immediately ignored or balked at. So, myself being a mixture of both sides feels often times like my view points are unwelcome because they might oppose the overwhelming majority. I guess that's a me issue though.

I just don't like that sometimes this thread takes a nasty turn. I mean it's been around for 3 years now. We've had some ugly shit in here as well as good.

Chankgeez wrote:I try to respect everybody's opinions as long as they're likewise respectful. I may not always agree. If someone can convince me my beliefs are in error, I'll gladly change my views.

Thats the point there about a true debate though.

Chankgeez wrote:While I'm no fan of Trump, I'm also not thrilled with Clinton. Like I've maintained throughout this thread, it's the "lesser of two evils".

And thats where I am glad I do not live in a swing state for this one because even now my extreme dislike for both is still very sameness so I was able to stick to my views if only a little

jwar wrote:I get what you guys are saying. I've just felt sort of pushed out on some of the things I've said and any kind of evidence I'd present would be immediately ignored or balked at. So, myself being a mixture of both sides feels often times like my view points are unwelcome because they might oppose the overwhelming majority. I guess that's a me issue though.

I just don't like that sometimes this thread takes a nasty turn. I mean it's been around for 3 years now. We've had some ugly shit in here as well as good.

You of anyone though has done the most changing and evolving despite that in this discussion. And you kind of represent what I would see as the mainstream, sick of it all but doesn't want to see it all unravel into chaos.

me personally.. I one have ever had 3 points I have ever actually make here over and over: QE, TFYS, ITYS the rest is friendly trollz'in

Pfft,Yall make me sick..let's fight.

Good points up here. Despite the impression of the board being left-of-center, there is a definite libertarian streak that I don't find bothersome due in no small part to the civility abided by many on here.

I don't have much to add besides: if you join a community and then constantly tell people to ignore your activity, rather than reckoning with the criticism you constantly earn from them, then it makes me wonder why you stick around instead of starting your own board/blog/etc

comesect2.0 wrote:Pfft,Yall make me sick..let's fight.

poopy pants!

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