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Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:12 am
by Eivind August
AlexGlassLungs wrote:
Jesus Was a Robot wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:I am almost positive you cannot ID a circuit as analog or digital by ear alone.
This is sig material because so many goddamn people swear they can and are full of shit.

If I were to plug a digital pedal into my rig I can 100% hear the difference in how the buffer alone effects my amp, on top of that the digital repeats and clarity of a delay for example sound too perfect, clear, and don’t have feel to them, an an analog delay has body and depth to it and has flaws that feel natural. It’s more to it than “I can hear this is digital”. There is a whole feel to the difference in the pedal.
In all seriousness, I too prefer analog delays for a similar, better worded reason. But that is a preference, and I hear people do rad shit with digital delays. It's two different sounds, that is all.

Also, what the duck is "wrong for gear"? Does that mean anything?

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:13 am
by $harkToootth
We've talked about word salads before. What do you guys put on your word salad?

I donated blood last week. Am I digital?

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:13 am
by actual
D.o.S. wrote:
actualidiot wrote:
AlexGlassLungs wrote:
Jesus Was a Robot wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:I am almost positive you cannot ID a circuit as analog or digital by ear alone.
This is sig material because so many goddamn people swear they can and are full of shit.

If I were to plug a digital pedal into my rig I can 100% hear the difference in how the buffer alone effects my amp, on top of that the digital repeats and clarity of a delay for example sound too perfect, clear, and don’t have feel to them, an an analog delay has body and depth to it and has flaws that feel natural. It’s more to it than “I can hear this is digital”. There is a whole feel to the difference in the pedal.
Wanna be BFFs?
He's certainly making a strong case for your username.
What does D.o.S. stand for anyway?

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:14 am
by actual
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Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:15 am
by Jwar
AlexGlassLungs wrote:
2) Your analog/digital pedal mash-ups- Something I see a lot of is the flaunting of analog or analog signal path pedals. I for one am a huge fan of these types of pedals and quality builds. For slight background on me, I was a straight signal path kinda guitar player with no pedals for a long time and always wanted a great tone from my amp and still do. I’ve always been huge on my amps and Guitar pickups so adding pedals I needed ones that conserved my tone... so for me I won’t put digital pedals on my board. I play with hand wound pickups into anpoint to point I guitar head. I have pedals with PCB and obv you need to but none of them are digital, I don’t want my analog signal path being effected. I understand for a lot of you noise makers that this isn’t really an issue for you but my question isn’t really for you guys. My question is for the people spending a ton of money on their gear, who have spent thousands of dollars on your Guitar Amps pushing digital pedals into them. Why? Why would you put so much into your direct signal and distort it with digital effects? Again this isn’t me calling you out, it’s me simply asking your reasoning behind this. Also to add onto this, besides digital pedals I see a lot of “lesser quality brands” on pedalboards with really amazing pedals on them. Besides the function of what it’s doing, can you not hear the lesser quality of the product, say EHX for example... ok go!
This is literally the only one I can speak on because I don't play guitar, I play bass. :)

So, I have a bass that was around 6k new (I bought it used for 1700) and another bass that was around 5k new (bought it for 2300) a Mesa Bass Prodigy (it was 1500 new) and a pair of Mesa Powerhouse cabs (cannot remember the pricing but I got a killer deal).

That's a ton of money on gear. I also have a full board and even when I play without any effects, I don't notice much of a difference in the tone or degradation of the tone. At least not on my instruments. I feel like not all instruments are made equal. I will probably never be a non active bass player but I have noticed a much larger difference in passives versus actives. My pre-amp seems to be able to push the signal much better through all those buffers.

I'm obviously not a purist, but I can understand it to a certain extent. Modern digital processing is way better than it ever has been however, so I don't think this is a concern. In fact, there are now digital effects that have true or buffered bypass. So they are trying to appease the tone purist in that sense. Personally I think true bypass is stupid in most respects on pedals though. I prefer it to have a buffer to bring down the noise floor. I run my board with a mixture of digital and analog on purpose. I have zero feedback when I am not playing. When I use all analog pedals, there's always some kind of buzz or hum in the background. That shit drives me fucking crazy.

I guess, for me the question isn't why. It's why not? Sure I have a nice bass, and amp. I'm not ruining it's integrity by using other things to compliment it's natural built in tones. That's the way I look at it at least. You mileage may vary.

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:15 am
by Jwar
Also, fellow ILF'ers. Note how I answered the question without being a dick? Or an asshole??? ;)

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:16 am
by AlexGlassLungs
UglyCasanova wrote:
AlexGlassLungs wrote: See you posted your opinion on a Jaguar, I posted mine as well. You don’t like the feel of a Jaguar, I don’t like the feel of a machine wound pickup
Can you teach me telekinesis so can feel the inside of my pickups?

With all the digital gear you use you won’t be feeling much of anything :-/

Hahaha but no seriously, it’s almost equivalent to blasting a ton of compression vs no compression. Something you won’t experience if you done try it :idk:

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:17 am
by D.o.S.
Down on Stupid.

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:17 am
by UglyCasanova
AlexGlassLungs wrote: If I were to plug a digital pedal into my rig I can 100% hear the difference in how the buffer alone effects my amp
This just means your amp isn't expensive enough.

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:18 am
by Strange Tales
D.o.S. wrote:Down on Stupid.
I'm a big fan of self-deprecation as well.

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:18 am
by D.o.S.
Jesus Was a Robot wrote:Also, fellow ILF'ers. Note how I answered the question without being a dick? Or an asshole??? ;)
Precedent was set in the first post man.

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:19 am
by Jwar
UglyCasanova wrote:
AlexGlassLungs wrote: If I were to plug a digital pedal into my rig I can 100% hear the difference in how the buffer alone effects my amp
This just means your amp isn't expensive enough.
I'd actually tend to agree with this in a way. Not on the money side but perhaps the quality side. A good amp won't change character that much when using a digital process versus an analog.

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:19 am
by actual
D.o.S. wrote:Down on Stupid.
I say Dicks or Steaks.

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:19 am
by Jwar
D.o.S. wrote:
Jesus Was a Robot wrote:Also, fellow ILF'ers. Note how I answered the question without being a dick? Or an asshole??? ;)
Precedent was set in the first post man.
Ever heard of killing them with kindness?

No?

Well, it was worth a shot. :(

Re: The controversial gear thread

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:22 am
by AlexGlassLungs
UglyCasanova wrote:
AlexGlassLungs wrote: If I were to plug a digital pedal into my rig I can 100% hear the difference in how the buffer alone effects my amp
This just means your amp isn't expensive enough.
I can be passive aggressive too