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ritz wrote:Envelope generation is my anti-drug.

Or my drug. Or something.

A few of the moogerfoogers can generate an envelope out. They are obviously not small. And the envelope itself is a little lacking? Or flat maybe?

I'm much happier using the envelope generated by a Dreadbox Epsilon. Has controls for attack, release, sensitivity and depth. Not small, but not huge like a moogerfooger. Haven't tried the Protostar, kinda skeptical about it having the attack knob controlling attack and release, like uhhhm what?

I would like to eventually switch up to a smaller dedicated envelope generation pedal to replace the Epsilon and free up a little board space. There was talk here where Adam at Copilot had done a dedicated envelope pedal for Resincum, but idk if that is envelope follower or stomp-activated envelope generator.

I have considered going mini-modular just for envelope and CV madness, but you know... modular, rabbit-hole, next thing I know I'm selling all my pedals...

The attack and the threshold control the release. It's definitely not ideal, but I think it makes sense from the stand point of it being specifically a guitar/bass pedal. What I mean by that is that you're going to be more concerned about the attack first because the release ends up being dependent on how you let your strings ring out or if you mute them. If you want something more rhythmic, I would get either the Dwarfcraft ARF or Happiness. I know there's no envelope following there, but envelope following on a guitar is going to be hard to replicate because you'd have to hit the string the exact same way every time and the electronics are very sensitive to that.

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yeatsvisitslincoln wrote:

oldangelmidnight wrote:Does anyone make a thing that will take a guitar signal and turn its envelope into CV?

WMD Protostar! I use this all the time to control Chase Bliss stuff, Pretty Years, and Randy's Revenge. Works great. Alternatively, I'm sure you could dive into modular...

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idk if Monkeydancer will see this thread but he took my advice and drank the Koolaid and basically he's in love with it, too. It's not just me.

By thing, I meant pedal, or at least something that can go on the floor.

ritz wrote:A few of the moogerfoogers can generate an envelope out. They are obviously not small. And the envelope itself is a little lacking? Or flat maybe?

That's good to know.

ritz wrote:I'm much happier using the envelope generated by a Dreadbox Epsilon. Has controls for attack, release, sensitivity and depth. Not small, but not huge like a moogerfooger.

That looks like fun. Does the envelope out work even if you're not using the effect?
That triggers an envelope, rather than tracking the actual envelope of what you're playing, right? I'd be more interested in something that makes a big voltage when I play big and a small voltage when I play small. A long release when I hold it and a short burst when I short burst.

yeatsvisitslincoln wrote:The attack and the threshold control the release. It's definitely not ideal, but I think it makes sense from the stand point of it being specifically a guitar/bass pedal. What I mean by that is that you're going to be more concerned about the attack first because the release ends up being dependent on how you let your strings ring out or if you mute them. If you want something more rhythmic, I would get either the Dwarfcraft ARF or Happiness. I know there's no envelope following there, but envelope following on a guitar is going to be hard to replicate because you'd have to hit the string the exact same way every time and the electronics are very sensitive to that.

Yeah, good point. I don't play guitar, so I sometimes forget about guitar-specific stuff like that and how it impacts pedal design.

I have the ARF and the Happiness actually. I use the gate from the Epsilon to trigger the ARF (making it auto-following, rather than manually triggered), and send the ARF envelope to the Happiness. Slightly convoluted, but effortless once it's tweaked right, and the Happiness sounds sooo good when you feed it an envelope!

The attack/release on the Epsilon does what I need and gets me where I want to go. Would love a full ADSR envelope generator in a pedal though... somebody, please...

oldangelmidnight wrote:

ritz wrote:I'm much happier using the envelope generated by a Dreadbox Epsilon. Has controls for attack, release, sensitivity and depth. Not small, but not huge like a moogerfooger.

That looks like fun. Does the envelope out work even if you're not using the effect?
That triggers an envelope, rather than tracking the actual envelope of what you're playing, right? I'd be more interested in something that makes a big voltage when I play big and a small voltage when I play small. A long release when I hold it and a short burst when I short burst.

The envelope DOES work and get output when the effect is bypassed.

The Epsilon does both. You can adjust it to be an envelope follower. Or you can turn the sensitivity all the way down so it doesn't follow, and then you can manually trigger the envelope with the momentary stomp. Have your cake and eat it too

ritz wrote: Yeah, good point. I don't play guitar, so I sometimes forget about guitar-specific stuff like that and how it impacts pedal design.

What do you play? If you don't mind my asking...

ritz wrote: I have the ARF and the Happiness actually. I use the gate from the Epsilon to trigger the ARF (making it auto-following, rather than manually triggered), and send the ARF envelope to the Happiness. Slightly convoluted, but effortless once it's tweaked right, and the Happiness sounds sooo good when you feed it an envelope!

The attack/release on the Epsilon does what I need and gets me where I want to go. Would love a full ADSR envelope generator in a pedal though... somebody, please...

I know, I would buy one of those in an instant, except that I'm on the precipice of the modular rabbit hole anyways.

ritz wrote:
The envelope DOES work and get output when the effect is bypassed.

THIS is my biggest complaint about the Protostar. Once you're bypassed, no envelope. It gets weirder, though, because if you use the side chain, the envelope DOES get triggered even while bypassed.

yeatsvisitslincoln wrote:THIS is my biggest complaint about the Protostar. Once you're bypassed, no envelope. It gets weirder, though, because if you use the side chain, the envelope DOES get triggered even while bypassed.

Oh, that's a definite weakness.

yeatsvisitslincoln wrote:What do you play? If you don't mind my asking...

I used to mess around with synths. Got started just playing around with a few monotrons, graduated to a monotribe and slowly started experimenting with effects. The monotribe was my sole instrument for like a year. I knew that thing inside and out, good times. Started branching out to mutable instruments synths, but then I switched from synths altogether, and eventually flipped them.

I started playing prayer bowls, and suddenly didn't care about the synths at all. I was given one as a gift and loved it. I borrowed a mic, and starting experimenting with the effect setup I already had for synths, and it was bottomless... I didn't need anything else. A good prayer bowl is pretty much the world's most flawlessly complex acoustic oscillator.

It's said that art loves constraint, so I gave myself a big one, decided that the bowls would be the only instrument/input. I wanted to see how far I could take it, how deep it could go. I got a looper and started layering. Started seriously/obsessively exploring different effects, which brought me here.

There is a deeply mystical purity to it for me. No synths, no computers, no post-processing, just playing the bowls (mostly percussively), manipulating and layering in real time.

I do have a drone commander that I use as a "side project" when I want a change of pace. But yeah, otherwise I exclusively play prayer bowls.

ritz wrote:I started playing prayer bowls, and suddenly didn't care about the synths at all. I was given one as a gift and loved it. I borrowed a mic, and starting experimenting with the effect setup I already had for synths, and it was bottomless... I didn't need anything else. A good prayer bowl is pretty much the world's most flawlessly complex acoustic oscillator.

In all seriousness, I was looking up prayer bowls the other day after I determined that one might be easier/cheaper to purchase than a gamelan gong or bonang. Any recommendations on one to buy? Preferably not one that's 15 inches!

They are all really unique, so it's hard to say. Order from somewhere where you can hear sound samples online, see what speaks to you. It's a bit of gamble just ordering a cheap contemporary one off amazon or something.

Good point. I'll just go to me closest Buddhist monk friend and ask for a recommendation

ritz wrote: I started playing prayer bowls, and suddenly didn't care about the synths at all. I was given one as a gift and loved it. I borrowed a mic, and starting experimenting with the effect setup I already had for synths, and it was bottomless... I didn't need anything else. A good prayer bowl is pretty much the world's most flawlessly complex acoustic oscillator.

It's said that art loves constraint, so I gave myself a big one, decided that the bowls would be the only instrument/input. I wanted to see how far I could take it, how deep it could go. I got a looper and started layering. Started seriously/obsessively exploring different effects, which brought me here.

There is a deeply mystical purity to it for me. No synths, no computers, no post-processing, just playing the bowls (mostly percussively), manipulating and layering in real time.

I do have a drone commander that I use as a "side project" when I want a change of pace. But yeah, otherwise I exclusively play prayer bowls.

This is very intriguing. I would totally love to hear some of this.

I don't have anything online but I'll see if I can throw something up this weekend

ritz wrote:I don't have anything online but I'll see if I can throw something up this weekend

you'd be making me happy
I used to have lots of fun putting a kalimba thru effects, so singing bowls would be

Anyone have a source for longer TRS splitter cables (1/4" to 1/4")? I want to sync up a pedal or two to my Elektron Analog Four, but need at least a 10ft cable so I'm not tripping over it onstage.

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