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Speaking of functionalities the 720 seems the best option so far, it's just too big to fit in the board but I could place it outside since it's the first thing I want to plug the instruments in. Tonight i m gonna make some research on the ones you guys suggested, thanks!

I'm hunting for the right looper myself.

Looking for something that can record multiple loops individually and add/subtract said loops when I want to.
Something with some editing parameter for each loop would be nice.
I want to be able to save and recall all loops via external device or otherwise.

That's basically it. I don't really care about reverse or quantizing or anything else like that. Something I can build with and use live when I need to.

Jwar wrote:I'm hunting for the right looper myself.

Looking for something that can record multiple loops individually and add/subtract said loops when I want to.
Something with some editing parameter for each loop would be nice.
I want to be able to save and recall all loops via external device or otherwise.

That's basically it. I don't really care about reverse or quantizing or anything else like that. Something I can build with and use live when I need to.

First things that come to my mind if you need multiple (more than 2) independent loops are the Boomerang or the EHX 45000, but for this one I don't know if you can also manage the different loops with external fs. If two loops are enough you could use the EHX 22500 or maybe the digitech Jamman (bigger one). I use the boss RC30 but the switching between the two channels is not immediate and, most of all, the two channels are linked to the same length (I hate this feature soo fucking much).

odontophobia wrote:I have been looking at one made by CNZ, they seem to be a slightly better variant of the stuff coming from China.

https://cnzaudio.com/products/repete-pedal-looper

Pretty sure that's the exact same thing as the Rowin Dual looper I linked above from Ali, just with a nicer paintjob.

I vaguely recall this company before... it seems pretty certain that their pedals are all the same as minis from Mooer/Donner/Monoprice/etc.

so how do y'all deal with your sound turning to unintelligible mush when you loop the recorded phrase and continue to play on top of it?

I currently have it last in chain before the amp. The looped phrase itself sounds pretty good actually but when I play over it I just lose all definition in the total sound coming from the amp. I could try amp fx loop but maybe the sound is too hot after the preamp section for the looper to deal with. Come to think of it, maybe my preamp is just set up a bit too dirty to deal with all these notes simultaneously...

I think it depends on a lot on the looper. The H9 does degrade loops the longer they are and the more you loop over the top, which is fucking obnoxious to say the least. I've had others like the Jamman Stereo where I noticed almost zero degrade issues. You're always going to have that on some level I think because of reproducing a pre-recorded loop. That being said, I don't know why someone couldn't easily solve this issue. Like a builder I mean obviously. lol.

Really, when I think about what I want it's simple but out of reach outside of a fucking studio setting, which is retarded. Goddamn it! Just give me a fucking looper to interact better with my DAW in a stomp box form!

Looper placement also as mentioned above can be crucial. Take for instance the type of buffering it has or does not have. That can make a difference in it's over all quality depending on what else you have going on in that signal chain. I prefer mine almost last. I want to be able to loop clean and dirty, however, I also want to alter the entire loop if wanted.

What would be fucking brilliant for me is something set up just like this-

-up to 4-5 loops of over a minute long (this shouldn't be hard at all)

-a separate input and output for a bypass looper that directly interacts with each looper (this is probably a hard one, if not impossible). The reasoning for this? I want to be able to plug an fx chain in and use it ONLY for a loop that has been recorded on that section. So, if I want to add distortion to a bass line I recorded that looping, I can do that without adding it to all the loops. Make sense?

-quality recording and recalling with a soft switch that is easy to push and does not click loud when engaged. Really, what would be cool is a switch like EQD has so you can bend notes or latch onto something. The second part of this is just kind of a wish list thing.

-labeling system via electronic display so that I can label my loops by song and catalog them accordingly.


I want to be able to use a looper in the studio and live.


My goal is to record some stuff similar to the way A Place to Bury Strangers does things but with a bit more ease. Seems like he's got a lot of shit going on because there's limited solutions that actually make sense.



The Blooper is useless for me as well. If it had a longer record time and the stomps where further apart, I'd consider it. For a looper I can't do that small form factor. I just can't. It's too fucking hard to hit the buttons at the right time. So, I'd just as soon not try unless he offers an external device to do that as well.

oscillofuzz wrote:so how do y'all deal with your sound turning to unintelligible mush when you loop the recorded phrase and continue to play on top of it?

For guitar?

Different settings for each layer.
Usually I play my base riff with tone and volume knobs rolled back a bit with middle pickup, then I add some "bass" lines with neck pickup and darker tone (I play this with my thumb), finally all leads between neck and bridge pickups with tone all the way up, also different types of picking and placement to keep it all as full as possible. Plus the obvious selection of pedals, usually just OD for rhythms and some fuzz and delay to go crazy before I ask myself "what the fuck am I doing?"

Or just add more amps and AB switches before the looper.

Jamman Stereo is good.

I had one I modded and sold where I made the "Save" button footswitchable. This allowed you to record a new loop, save it and then go to another bank and keep doing that and then go back to those loops later.

Many loopers fade the volume out on each loop layer to help with the mushiness factor. They call it fade, decay, feedback, loop aging, etc... Usually it is implemented when overdubbing is active, so the new layer sort of stands out better but the sonic content of previous layers is still audible. Infinity and Boomerang III both allow selecting how much the loops will fade. The DL4 will do it automatically, somewhere between 40-50 passes of overdubbing will basically clear the 1st loop.

The loopers that don't tend to have all the layers at the same density and it gets thick and messy. Like the Headrush, add 10 layers and it is just too much and sounds terrible. Even if you try vary it up by playing different parts of the neck or with pedals. Too much density as each layer is packed and equal to the next and sounds like the speakers are overloaded. This isn't really a problem with just a few loops, more when you get more than like 5-10 going at once.

Also looking forward to hearing more about the Blooper. Have the same issues as Jwar with the stomp switches being so close together. The solution is likely a separate MIDI box. I could never nail the timing on a CT5 mode 3 loop, but it also does the hold to record method which is a different timing skill to master.

tremolo3 wrote:

oscillofuzz wrote:so how do y'all deal with your sound turning to unintelligible mush when you loop the recorded phrase and continue to play on top of it?

For guitar?

Different settings for each layer.
Usually I play my base riff with tone and volume knobs rolled back a bit with middle pickup, then I add some "bass" lines with neck pickup and darker tone (I play this with my thumb), finally all leads between neck and bridge pickups with tone all the way up, also different types of picking and placement to keep it all as full as possible. Plus the obvious selection of pedals, usually just OD for rhythms and some fuzz and delay to go crazy before I ask myself "what the fuck am I doing?"

Or just add more amps and AB switches before the looper.

Pretty much this.

I use it a lot during live, but I never do with full dynamics and gain over an already heavily saturated looped riff. Mainly I go these ways:
Loop a phrase with bridge pickup and brighter (higher) notes, with delays and stuff, and then play the main riff along on the lower strings, or even add another layer with some alternate mid-dynamics playing. Alternatively I start some background ambient sounds and play along even in full distortion mode, they just come up when I lower my dynamics.

oscillofuzz wrote:I currently have it last in chain before the amp. The looped phrase itself sounds pretty good actually but when I play over it I just lose all definition in the total sound coming from the amp. I could try amp fx loop but maybe the sound is too hot after the preamp section for the looper to deal with. Come to think of it, maybe my preamp is just set up a bit too dirty to deal with all these notes simultaneously...

It also depends a lot on the cabinet. Maybe there's just too much shit going on (speaking of frequencies) and your speakers can't manage everything. I found out that layered loops for me work better with big cabs (4x12).

Jwar wrote: (incredible description of the dream looper)

If it also makes coffee I'm in to fund this.

the perfect looper doesn't exist yet! and it's a shame big names like Boss, EHX, Digitech, etc... aren't trying to offer something more than the usual rec/play/dub/undo simple looper.
There were many attempts from the live-looping community to point out possible useful features to be implemented, but up to now anything happen.

For example loop decay (or feedback) is something you won't find everywhere, and almost nowhere is to find a feedback that works without being in overdub (which is way cool: so you can do stuff and the loop decays by itself alone, without now overdubs).

For my porpuses I rely on 3 machines: Pigtronix Infinity, EHX720 and a Boss RC3.