Where do we stand on Billy Corgan? //hivemind

[D.o.S.]

Collective Soul are fucking garbage, and Radiohead are not. It's that easy.

Hahaha just read the other thread.

That one is as uncontroversial as "the sun rises in the east."

[rustywire]

That one is as uncontroversial as "the sun rises in the east."

Great record

[Invisible Man]

Good one! Did you mean to be funny or did a happy accident result from saltiness?

Where did you learn such silly theory and impractical application?
How much of the real world have you experienced or are you still in school?


passive-aggressive

The fuck is 'the real world,' btw?

[casecandy]

It's no fun to argue if we can all agree that everyone's entitled to their own opinions on pieces, though.

+1

[casecandy]

Good one! Did you mean to be funny or did a happy accident result from saltiness?

Where did you learn such silly theory and impractical application?
How much of the real world have you experienced or are you still in school?


passive-aggressive

The fuck is 'the real world,' btw?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNYXPnreDls[/youtube]

[lost in music]

People who see sexism everywhere are typically the worst sexists.
People who see racism everywhere are typically the worst racists.

People who say things like "people who see sexism/racism everywhere" as if there wasn't actually racism and sexism everywhere are usually the worst racists/sexists, actually.

Wait you actually believe just because a person says X it makes them Y?
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. Good one! Did you mean to be funny or did a happy accident result from saltiness?
Hard to ignore the passive-aggressive accusatory undertones... and the questions you raise.

Where did you learn such silly theory and impractical application?
How much of the real world have you experienced or are you still in school?
I'm curious where you've been and which jobs you've held to have you seeing racism & sexism everywhere... other questions too about childhood & family relationship but that's kinda personal and I prefer not to pry into private lives. Not to judge, either.

How come your bear doesn't have a fedora, is the only question I have.

[D.o.S.]

[Jwar]

Collective Soul are fucking garbage, and Radiohead are not. It's that easy.

Hahaha just read the other thread.

That one is as uncontroversial as "the sun rises in the east."

I'm sure that's why they've both had multiple gold and platinum selling records. You know because your OBJECTIVE opinion is of course right.


Nice cross quoting btw. How does this have anything to do with Billy? Who also has sold a shit ton of records and sucks.


Granted old Billy was awesome, but Billy as a person has always sucked.

Also, I'll give you Pablo Honey, but you've got to give me Hints, Allegations and Things Left Unsaid. It's called compromise.

[Jwar]

That one is as uncontroversial as "the sun rises in the east."

Great record

Amazing album!! Hahaha! Thought I was the only owned that one!

[Invisible Man]

Collective Soul are fucking garbage, and Radiohead are not. It's that easy.

Hahaha just read the other thread.

That one is as uncontroversial as "the sun rises in the east."

I'm sure that's why they've both had multiple gold and platinum selling records. You know because your OBJECTIVE opinion is of course right.


Nice cross quoting btw. How does this have anything to do with Billy? Who also has sold a shit ton of records and sucks.


Granted old Billy was awesome, but Billy as a person has always sucked.

Also, I'll give you Pablo Honey, but you've got to give me Hints, Allegations and Things Left Unsaid. It's called compromise.

Nothing whatsoever to do with William X. Corgan. Just stuck my head in the door, yet again, to holler at the sexual tension between DoS and Case. In an objective fashion.

[D.o.S.]

Jwar just dropped the Nickelback defense.

[Invisible Man]

Which bears a stunning resemblance to football terminology that I do not understand.

[D.o.S.]

Same target audience.

[psychic vampire.]

Hoo, fucking boy this thread...

I don't find Burzum's music particularly good or interesting, and I have very little interest in apolitical metal heads who wear Burzum shirts OR ethnomusicology. You like his music? Fine. I would strongly encourage people not to give money to Varg in any way, not because I want to limit free speech, or because I believe in consumer politics. Mostly it's just because I don't think people who advocate racial violence or racial purity deserve anything good.

People who see sexism everywhere are typically the worst sexists.
People who see racism everywhere are typically the worst racists.

People who say things like "people who see sexism/racism everywhere" as if there wasn't actually racism and sexism everywhere are usually the worst racists/sexists, actually.

Wait you actually believe just because a person says X it makes them Y?
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. Good one! Did you mean to be funny or did a happy accident result from saltiness?
Hard to ignore the passive-aggressive accusatory undertones... and the questions you raise.

Where did you learn such silly theory and impractical application?
How much of the real world have you experienced or are you still in school?
I'm curious where you've been and which jobs you've held to have you seeing racism & sexism everywhere... other questions too about childhood & family relationship but that's kinda personal and I prefer not to pry into private lives. Not to judge, either.

I should probably clarify myself. I mean, I actually shouldn't, but I want to, because I feel like my words were understood incorrectly.

I think there is a tendency, by people on the "political right" and "left" to squash each other into homogenous groups of belief and identity for the sake of dismissing each other's ideas. I think the current tendency by people who lean "conservative" is to dismiss a lot of leftist thought as "Social Justice" whilst forgetting that there are as many disagreements on the left as there are between the right and the left. Social Justice is an actual school of thought that exists on the left, but personally, I think there are MANY legitimate critiques of the social justice discourse coming from the (fringe) left. The discourse started from kernels of truth and spiralled out due to intense dogmatism and groupthink. I think racism and misogyny and homophobia and so on all exist, I can attest to some of them, even. I don't think that focusing on victim/oppression status is a good idea, nor do I believe that laying the blame for institutionalized power dynamics at the feet of every individual born into this system is productive. These are big problems with the politic (not to mention its reformist tendency and complete reliance on a fictionalized universal experience for each identity group). I do think people in many places were born into a world where racist power dynamics have arisen due to a variety of reasons. I also think there is a marked difference between existing in a world that encourages racism/sexism/whatever and consciously choosing to be a bigot. I dont want people to "check their privilege," which is a meaningless spineless liberal circle jerk anyway, I do think people should try to acknowledge we all have different experiences, and that racial and gendered violence do exist for many people, though often not on such clear cut lines as people would have you believe. I did not think BSoul was a Nazi, I just personally don't love giving leeway/artistic merit to nazis.

Also though I believe in individual autonomy and think difference is important. I don't want to be an authority over anyone.

Just gonna end with these two.

The fuck is 'the real world,' btw?

It's no fun to argue if we can all agree that everyone's entitled to their own opinions on pieces, though.

[rustywire]

The fuck is 'the real world,' btw?

A) The reality where the state, banks, insurers, strangers, bosses, coworkers, competition don't care about your feelings.
B) Civilization where you don't get special treatment *just because* ...unless you have a swollen bank account or you're 9/10 or better.
C) The diverse plane of existence where you do not get your way all of the time and it's rarely because of sexism, racism and so on.
D) All of the above.