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If you're getting into Muffs and pedals that aren't Boss, I think this might be a place to start. If you're like us though, I believe we like our muffs to be different and all sound good at different settings.
I might (literally never) buy this, but I don't usually twiddle my knobs and readjust setting for sounds a lot if ever. Also, more is more. I would like to have seen a mids controls, and maybe a low and high end control. Maybe I want super fat low end that is smeary, then later have a tight end and boosted highs, for that Pink Floyd solo I 'll never do.

Maybe this was brought up already, but they use a different guitar for every setting in that demo. Of course they're gonna sound different. Suspicious. Also, that JHS dude looks like a fuckin creep, not surprising he's backed by creeps. It's almost like there is a factory pumping out jowly, pig eyed ultra conservatives. They all look the same. I get a bad vibe from that guy, even if I didn't already know their history.

This was a really great thread through about page 4. Not quite Bowie's 70's run, but pretty damn good!

Sorry, I'm in a bad mood. I shouldn't be talking shit about someone I've never met. Maybe he's super cool. Still, would be more interested in that pedal if someone else made it. Plus "haunting mids"! Ugh!

TOMKAT_BKLYN wrote: Digital pots would have been sick. Different muff version presets controllable with midi, so cool.

AlexanderPedals wrote: Personally I would have gone whole-hog and used digital pots controlled by the panel potentiometers to implement a preset system.

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jwar wrote:#2 Go God Go. I'm Catholic and I'll say this. If you're associated with the largest cult probably in the fucking nation, even if you claim not to be, I'm sorry but your company sucks. If it weren't for all those mindless IHOP morons in Grandview, I doubt JHS would even be on the map. They lie their asses off as much as they want, but I know those motherfuckers are working with them.

This is, honestly, one of the biggest reasons I dislike JHS. And the whole P&W scene in general. It's one thing to play music in a church, and to be in a "christian band." But once you start making the whole "the gear/music is to lead people to god" argument is when I start getting angry as all fuck. No, you don't need that boutique pedal to lead people to god. No, you don't need fancy music to lead people to god. No, neither of those things genuinely led anyone to god. Just admit that you're materialistic and like cool shit like the rest of us, asshole.

jwar wrote:#4 The look is boring and crappy. Yes this is important. Why have all those fancy boxes if you're just going to slap printer ink on them?

This has become more and more important for me the more I get into pedals. At first I thought "I can understand why how it looks wouldn't matter," but there's a point where you're just boosting the price simply for profit and you don't even have the decency to give us something that looks cool. If it's under $100-150 I could probably let it slide if the circuit was just that awesome, but it never is with the companies that do that shit.

jwar wrote:#5 Homie has the personality of a shoe. I met him in person and he could have given a shit less about talking to me. I'm a potential customer, but won't buy now because of how non personable he was. It was literally like talking to a fucking wall. You could at least pretend to care like all the other builders did.

This is why Joel from Chase Bliss is probably my favorite person in the whole world of pedal builders (for now). Even with his stutter and the fact that I'm probably the most awkward person in the universe when meeting new people, he spent a solid half hour with me just to answer all my questions about the latest Zvex pedal during Summer NAMM back when he worked there.

Ugly Nora wrote:It's hard to keep track of everyone we are supposed to hate and to what degree... How about Malekko?

I didn't know there was something wrong with Malekko.
That being said, the new Scrutator and Combover look kickass and I'm trying really hard not to waste all my money buying them.



Sorry, I guess I showed up late to the party with too much shit to say.

TOMKAT_BKLYN wrote:

goroth wrote:SMD - through hole - tagboard - it's horses for courses dudes.

The V3 Cosmichorus barely fits in a 1590BB with SMD. Soldering that by hand would take a day or two and reduce Ryan's output (and pricing) to Toneczar levels. But is the Cosmi not a boutique pedal because it has SMD boards? Is Ryan less of a wizard because he chose to work with smaller sized components?

What are you paying for with a boutique pedal?
The circuit design?
The unique sounds?
The visuals and other tangible aspects of the pedal?
The relationship with the builder?
The after sale care?

Or does one define boutique by how many processes can be done in house and how many hours it takes per pedal? If you take a pedal developed by a large corporation, and then produce a 1:1 clone, but in a basement somewhere and with fancy graphics - is that boutique?

(when I wrote this post I was working it through in my head question for question, but now that it's written out it looks less Socratic and more passive aggressive than I'd like. Please mentally remove any aggression from this post and read it through a haze of friendly inquisitiveness)

My apologies goroth. I took that a little too personally.

No worries bro it certainly wasn't meant to be personal. Thanks DoS for your clarification!

Case in point: I just bought a Vexter box of rock (I needed something that would fit on a single slat of a pedal train). Afaik it's entirely assembled not by hand in China. Have I bought a boutique pedal? What differentiates that from a Joyo version of the same circuit? It's just a couple of SHOs in a box - a circuit which was borrowed from an old mixer desk or however the story goes. Where then is the originality in the circuit? What have I just paid for??

Maybe what we want with boutique is just small scale manufacture. And perhaps the idea that I can get to know the person building my pedal. Is the boss wazacraft stuff boutique? Or the digitech/blackout mashup like the bone shaker?

Which leads inevitably to brands becoming too big for boutique. Zvex, fulltone, keeley... EQD? Or is it such that once you've been boutique you're always boutique?

I think this is genuinely fascinating - never really thought about it before. Probably just goes to show that the word boutique is bullshit and I should just buy pedals from dudes I like for whatever random reasons I have.

culturejam wrote:We -- Function f(x) -- actually have been discussing a super-mega-multi-Muff for a while. But now we'll look like coattail riders to JHS ( ) if we put it out.

But we were going to go balls out with a bunch of relays for the circuit switching. .

I can't let this be ignored...
You could still do it better,(MUCH BETTER) with clipping options and mid controls,
I'm sure you could also think of a few extra bells and whistles too...

Tldr; I came too for the sandwich...

Laughably overpriced clones linked with big business private jet christian mega church post rock?

*runs away really fast screaming*

goroth wrote: Which leads inevitably to brands becoming too big for boutique. Zvex, fulltone, keeley... EQD? Or is it such that once you've been boutique you're always boutique?

If you produce less than 6 million barrels a year… … no… wait… that's "craft beer" ...





which would probably go well with a muffuletta.

sonidero wrote:Tldr; I came too for the sandwich...

qft. that steamin' dog duke of a jared fogel-assed sandwich.

jrfox92 wrote:This is, honestly, one of the biggest reasons I dislike JHS. And the whole P&W scene in general. It's one thing to play music in a church, and to be in a "christian band." But once you start making the whole "the gear/music is to lead people to god" argument is when I start getting angry as all fuck. No, you don't need that boutique pedal to lead people to god. No, you don't need fancy music to lead people to god. No, neither of those things genuinely led anyone to god. Just admit that you're materialistic and like cool shit like the rest of us, asshole.

I am behind you there. Way back when, in the mid 90s I played on and off with my church's 'contemporary' worship band/group. I was ecstatic that they let me play an electric and every once in a while I could kick on the chorus on my old crate amp! Now a days there is "P&W" running crazy amounts of effects.

Back in my youth our church music was limited to a piano and a choir, except for special occasions there was a guy who would break out his hammered dulcimer.