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Bellyheart wrote:All that new TC?

Nah newest things in that pic are the Ditto X2 and the HOF...

Andrew wrote:I think having two separate Dittos in the one pedal enclosure would be a neat idea

Vox Lil Looper

OddKnowledge wrote:pretty much, what we want is an updated DL4 that is a dedicated looper with more loop time, better sound, and no extras like drum tracks and amp sims. its been a decade and there is still a void in the market.

M9 or Vox DelayLab
I don't understand why DL4s still have value over $80 or so.

julius_deane wrote:

Andrew wrote:I think having two separate Dittos in the one pedal enclosure would be a neat idea

Vox Lil Looper

The switches...

julius_deane wrote:

OddKnowledge wrote:pretty much, what we want is an updated DL4 that is a dedicated looper with more loop time, better sound, and no extras like drum tracks and amp sims. its been a decade and there is still a void in the market.

M9 or Vox DelayLab
I don't understand why DL4s still have value over $80 or so.

People ask for around 170-200EUR for used DL4s around here. It sucks.
I'd love to get what OddKnowledge describes there, but am afraid of DL4's sound (and build) quality. Is it as bad as people say? Bad enough to worry about in bass/noise/drone/dirty ambient -context? What about the DelayLab? I've read a few reviews that said it's ok, but not better than DL4. They were written from a delay perspective though, and I'm interested in it only as a looper.
I haven't even seen an M9, but it looks a huge in the pictures and costs around 400EUR. Is it worth it or would it be better to just spend some more and get a Boomerang in that price range? Not that I'm gonna have money for one in a long while.
I'm interested in DittoX2, but would love to get the stomping options of the DL4.

vallaton wrote:

julius_deane wrote:

OddKnowledge wrote:pretty much, what we want is an updated DL4 that is a dedicated looper with more loop time, better sound, and no extras like drum tracks and amp sims. its been a decade and there is still a void in the market.

M9 or Vox DelayLab
I don't understand why DL4s still have value over $80 or so.

People ask for around 170-200EUR for used DL4s around here. It sucks.
I'd love to get what OddKnowledge describes there, but am afraid of DL4's sound (and build) quality. Is it as bad as people say? Bad enough to worry about in bass/noise/drone/dirty ambient -context? What about the DelayLab? I've read a few reviews that said it's ok, but not better than DL4. They were written from a delay perspective though, and I'm interested in it only as a looper.
I haven't even seen an M9, but it looks a huge in the pictures and costs around 400EUR. Is it worth it or would it be better to just spend some more and get a Boomerang in that price range? Not that I'm gonna have money for one in a long while.
I'm interested in DittoX2, but would love to get the stomping options of the DL4.

Man, i don't think the DL4 'sounds' bad at all. To me it manages to sit well in the mix, stacks loops without getting too muddy, and is easy to time loops when stomping. You have to consider that it has been around for nearly 15 years now
170-200 EUR is silly though, the used market is Australia is almost that bad too.
As far as the build quality goes, absolutely replace the footswitches as soon as possible and you'll be fine. The enclosure is practically indestructible, but surface-mounted switches?? Really??

insubordination wrote:

ChetMagongalo wrote:how huge is huge?

Doesn't look that huge to me...

NSFW: show

(twss).

Finally, a correct (read: for me) sized pedal from this series.

Jero wrote:

julius_deane wrote:

Andrew wrote:I think having two separate Dittos in the one pedal enclosure would be a neat idea

Vox Lil Looper

The switches...

That's actually my problem with the TCE loopers. Having a click on a looper totally throws me off.

julius_deane wrote:

Jero wrote:

julius_deane wrote:

Andrew wrote:I think having two separate Dittos in the one pedal enclosure would be a neat idea

Vox Lil Looper

The switches...

That's actually my problem with the TCE loopers. Having a click on a looper totally throws me off.

I really don't like the click either. I want to swap my ditto with a soft switch.
That's really the only thing I don't like about it though.
I'm still super excited for this X2

hazelwould wrote:Looks great. Doesn't touch my DL-4 for looping. This is 2014 guys!!! After 15 years of being out still, NO ONE can trump that thing for looping (at least in a sub $200 price). How sad.

Get that ugly ass piece off my board!!! Baaaahhhh!

Man, I love the DL-4 for looping as well, still the one to beat and hard to believe that someone hasn't released a dedicated looper just like it but smaller for under $200 in all these years. The only thing that's even come close is the Timeline. It's pricey but the delays are killer (mostly) and the looper is basically an expanded and improved upon DL-4 in terms of features and functionality. They left off the "one-shot" feature tho, probably the most unique thing on the DL-4, achieve all those Minus The Bear and Tera Melos loop hiccup tricks.

This new Ditto looks cool tho, I'll probably get one.

And yeah, as others have mentioned, so many companies need to make the jump to soft touch switching already. Get with it geez!

Holy Schnikes wrote: Man, I love the DL-4 for looping as well, still the one to beat and hard to believe that someone hasn't released a dedicated looper just like it but smaller for under $200 in all these years.

It's not smaller but *cough *Vox DelayLab* cough. You can find them used for under $200 and if you don't use the delays, voilà, it's a dedicated looper. It doesn't do half speed though and I wish it had more time.

Holy Schnikes wrote:

hazelwould wrote: And yeah, as others have mentioned, so many companies need to make the jump to soft touch switching already. Get with it geez!

I think part of the problem is that musicians are trained to believe that you *must* have a click to have true bypass, and some musicians believe that TRUE BYPASS is the only way to rig, gig, and jig.

Back the previous point, Line 6 really dropped the ball with their dedicated looper. It seems like Vox and TCE have been the only companies to ask "Why are musicians of all kinds still paying $250 for DL4s?" They both got damn close with improvements in some areas. But, hell, I'd have a DL4 if they didn't still go for so much in relation to how long they loop.

I'd also say a used RC-20XL is a damn fine replacement, although it too doesn't do straight up half speed.

These are the questions that keep me up at night, such as "Why doesn't Dunlop/MXR release a Carbon Copy with mod/depth knobs on the outside?"

julius_deane wrote:

OddKnowledge wrote:pretty much, what we want is an updated DL4 that is a dedicated looper with more loop time, better sound, and no extras like drum tracks and amp sims. its been a decade and there is still a void in the market.

M9 or Vox DelayLab
I don't understand why DL4s still have value over $80 or so.

Meh. M9 is overkill. I didn't like the sounds, and the looper is marginally better. Price wasn't justified for me.

Just thought this option is pretty neat

http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/ho ... line/wally

Bellyheart wrote:Just thought this option is pretty neat

http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/ho ... line/wally

My eyes!!!


Thanks. Now I will never unsee that.