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Gearmond wrote:Massive statement

Gearmond wrote:

devnulljp wrote:

Gearmond wrote:ew@ calling any 60's and 70's band besides Sabbath heavy metal until Judas Preist

You're kidding.
Blue Cheer
MC5
Budgie
Sir Lord Baltimore
Leaf Hound
Even Amon Duul to an extent

(And what about Deep Purple?)

I remember the firs time I heard Motorhead -- it was the heaviest filthiest thing ever, and that was the 70s.

no, all of those are pushing it to the point of metal including anyone who played rock. there is a very defined line between the whole sorta biker/hard rock thing and heavy metal. most people forget that.

the band that DID blur it was BOC

Bassus Sanguinis wrote:

Gearmond wrote:

devnulljp wrote:

Gearmond wrote:ew@ calling any 60's and 70's band besides Sabbath heavy metal until Judas Preist

You're kidding.
Blue Cheer
MC5
Budgie
Sir Lord Baltimore
Leaf Hound
Even Amon Duul to an extent

(And what about Deep Purple?)

I remember the firs time I heard Motorhead -- it was the heaviest filthiest thing ever, and that was the 70s.

no, all of those are pushing it to the point of metal including anyone who played rock. there is a very defined line between the whole sorta biker/hard rock thing and heavy metal. most people forget that.

the band that DID blur it was BOC

How about Steppenwollf instead?

Seriously, You know, Jimi Hendrix and guys and lots of bands with rough sounds WERE considered and to be heavy metal, You know. Black Sabbath wasn't among its contemporaries any heavier than Deep Purple or Blue Cheer or others. Because heavy metal wasn't back then what it is supposed to be today.

And Dev is right about Motörhead. Even in the 80's some of my friends didn't consider it even as music, it was way too much for them! Unlike Metallica and younger bands that Motörhead influenced.

BUT that all is way off topic.

Gearmond wrote:yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

Steppenwolf just coined the term is all.

and yeah, he's right about motorhead, but priest came around like a year before motorhead if i remember.

even more sidetracking: i think its funny that metalcore is combining thrash metal with hardcore punk. last i checked, thats what thrash metal was.

Gearmond wrote:yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

Gearmond wrote:yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

Steppenwolf just coined the term is all.

and yeah, he's right about motorhead, but priest came around like a year before motorhead if i remember.

even more sidetracking: i think its funny that metalcore is combining thrash metal with hardcore punk. last i checked, thats what thrash metal was.

Bassus Sanguinis wrote:

Gearmond wrote:yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

No. When the NWOBHM came to be, there alrady WAS heavy metal. Simple as that.

So... is that term then used wrong, too, or what should one think of it that huh?

Bassus Sanguinis wrote:

Gearmond wrote:yes, but informed and included-in are two completely different things. the stooges are pretty definitively punk.

anyways, being called something and BEING something are totally different. retrospectively Hendrix n co. aren't metal and when they were called it, the term was used incorrectly. just like anyone calling Coldplay indie.

No. When the NWOBHM came to be, there alrady WAS heavy metal. Simple as that.

So... is that term then used wrong, too, or what should one think of it that huh?

Gearmond wrote:metalcore: it sounds good on paper