After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[Bloodhammer]

Guess the governor of Virginia is a hateful leftist idiot. Who knew?

[comesect2.0]

White devil stood up and said "it's mine" yellow catfish said "for 2 dolla" brownie said "we can profit" blacky said "il work for it" devil sat down and muttered to it's self falling asleep from its restless hoarding "it's still all mine"

I'm a Buddhist Muslim Christian jew and so are all of you!


::SPECIAL NEWS REPORT::
Terry MCaulifee found in his home without a head...investigation is still underway.

[Iommic Pope]

Politics and racism usually exist without the need for each.
But racists will co opt politics whenever given an inch of wiggle room to do so.
Whichever the case, pretty sure some people died and got hurt over a statue of a dead guy from a war that was ridiculous.
Dissect that however you choose. It will remain stupid.

[Faldoe]

People feed each other's hate.

Yeah...people of color and Jewish people feed the hate of Neo-Nazis/KKK/Aryan Brotherhood/etc. merely by existing.

Ehhh one big thing the far left and far right both have in common is their hatred of Jews.

No doubt white supremacists, the kkk - or any racial superiority group, for that matter - are idiots but so are leftists. Two sides of the same coin: ignorance.

You seem to be conflating Jews, as individuals, with the state of Israel. And as for ignorance, the modern American left is far better than educated than the right.

I'm not. I agree there is a difference between being critical of Israel versus being anti-Jew but there are people on the left that hate Jews - cause of Israeli policy - but also cause they buy into conspiratorial themes regarding Jews.

Are you equating education with intelligence? In that the latter likely cannot be had without the former? Or that education automatically vanquishes ignorance?

The insanity on college campuses is evidence that one can be educated - earn a degree or attend a prestigious college - but not be intelligent. I'm in no way defending right wing stupidity and racism but to point out that things aren't that black and white in terms of "Left = less ignorant" because they are better educated.

The problem in this country is that we are human beings* and people are lazy and don't want to look within themselves and evolve so they point the finger outside themselves. This is a mass exercise in psychological projection.

* despite various advancements in society via science, education and technology we are still the same human hardware we've been for thousands of years and we face the same problems - mental/reasoning failings - all prior generations have faced and we don't seem to be learning.

[Iommic Pope]

Mass education is more of a class issue than one of innate intelligence or latent ability, it was designed to be, but there is still space for these gifts to break through.

Its true that our brains havent evolved to cope with our lifestyles. But putting that down to laziness or a "choice not to evolve" is somewhat reductive. The fact that social and economic environmental factors have been in constant flux since the industrial revolution and have not kept up with the technological impact it has had on our lives is probably more the issue here. Particularly considering its the same old money thats trying to hold back the tide of change with one hand while selling our asses back to us in the form of the latest iphone with the other. There was never the opportunity to break down class divides and provide the economic space necessary to catch everybody up on this whole education and rethinking human society thing. And we have suffered ever since.
We weren't ready for utipia then and we're starting to realise the ship may have sailed.

Overly dramatic and not well iterated enough post ended.

[Lurker13]

^^^No, that was well said, Pope, as always.

I'm not. I agree there is a difference between being critical of Israel versus being anti-Jew but there are people on the left that hate Jews - cause of Israeli policy - but also cause they buy into conspiratorial themes regarding Jews.

I don't know anyone on the left who hates Jews. A few nutjobs who buy into conspiracy theories do not define the ideology of the left.

Are you equating education with intelligence? In that the latter likely cannot be had without the former? Or that education automatically vanquishes ignorance?

I am not equating education with innate intelligence. As for education vanquishing ignorance, that is the whole point of education. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ignorance

The insanity on college campuses is evidence that one can be educated - earn a degree or attend a prestigious college - but not be intelligent. I'm in no way defending right wing stupidity and racism but to point out that things aren't that black and white in terms of "Left = less ignorant" because they are better educated.

I don't see that. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to get a college degree, but you do have to be at least fairly intelligent and willing to work hard. And again, someone who is better educated is less ignorant by definition. I doubt you will find many well educated people in racist organizations.

But perhaps you were conflating ignorance with immorality. Having a college degree doesn't make someone a good person, and not having a college degree certainly doesn't make someone a bad person. But there is a lot to be said for being exposed to new ideas and the socialization that goes along with the college experience. People often come away with a new understanding of the world, and of other people, that they didn't have before.

The problem in this country is that we are human beings* and people are lazy and don't want to look within themselves and evolve so they point the finger outside themselves.

In my opinion, racists epitomize that statement. They are completely lacking in objectivity. They can't accept that their miserable lives are their o
wn fault, so they look for outsiders to blame. Because everything is everybody else's fault.

[Bloodhammer]

People feed each other's hate.

Yeah...people of color and Jewish people feed the hate of Neo-Nazis/KKK/Aryan Brotherhood/etc. merely by existing.

Ehhh one big thing the far left and far right both have in common is their hatred of Jews.

No doubt white supremacists, the kkk - or any racial superiority group, for that matter - are idiots but so are leftists. Two sides of the same coin: ignorance.

You seem to be conflating Jews, as individuals, with the state of Israel. And as for ignorance, the modern American left is far better than educated than the right.

I'm not. I agree there is a difference between being critical of Israel versus being anti-Jew but there are people on the left that hate Jews - cause of Israeli policy - but also cause they buy into conspiratorial themes regarding Jews.

I'm honestly interested in an example of what you're talking about. This is a fairly vague statement.

Are you equating education with intelligence? In that the latter likely cannot be had without the former? Or that education automatically vanquishes ignorance?

The insanity on college campuses is evidence that one can be educated - earn a degree or attend a prestigious college - but not be intelligent. I'm in no way defending right wing stupidity and racism but to point out that things aren't that black and white in terms of "Left = less ignorant" because they are better educated.

The problem in this country is that we are human beings* and people are lazy and don't want to look within themselves and evolve so they point the finger outside themselves. This is a mass exercise in psychological projection.

* despite various advancements in society via science, education and technology we are still the same human hardware we've been for thousands of years and we face the same problems - mental/reasoning failings - all prior generations have faced and we don't seem to be learning.

I'm not quite sure what your argument is. Are you basically saying that the counter-protesters of the white supremacist protest are equally culpable of hate mongering?

[jrfox92]

On one hand, a Jew almost became president.
On the other hand, there's actual evidence of the intent of the DNC to sabotage him using his "Jewish-ness" as a point of contention.

[comesect2.0]

It's all those shratza and shitzka pop stars fault..influencing the youth of today, ..that's what it is.

[Lurker13]

On one hand, a Jew almost became president.
On the other hand, there's actual evidence of the intent of the DNC to sabotage him using his "Jewish-ness" as a point of contention.

And now, Bernie Sanders pretty much is the new left (along with Elizabeth Warren).

[Iommic Pope]

The (N/J)ew Left?
What would a leftist zionic banking conspiracy theory read like?
Hot garbage, like the rest of the conspiracy theories, I'm willing to bet.

[jrfox92]

[jrfox92]

[Blackened Soul]

it's like every time I come in this thread and read back a few pages I can feel the brain cells dying

[dubkitty]

i live in Charlottesville a few blocks away from the park where the violence took place. I was thinking about going, but i could smell disaster in the air days beforehand and i was just too tired to get up and deal with it. i'm a little bit old for tear gas.