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The Wood Wizard wrote:Also, today I ventured out of the doom room! posted some art Ive done and made a WTB in the BST and stuff. Feels good...One day at a time...

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The Wood Wizard wrote:

SGs are notorious for having tuning stability issues. Anything below standard just gets worse. Ive worked on a few from the early 60s all the way up to the early 2000's and theyre all like that. THe old ones were a tiny bit better though. THe design just isnt that great, which is a shame because they look so badass!

so whats the best design
for lower tunings
and heavier strings
in your opinion wiz
im havin issues right now on my samick
buzz,breakage,and way high action
sucks cause it feels so comfy and sounds good
but its fightin me at every turn

ryan summit wrote:

The Wood Wizard wrote:

SGs are notorious for having tuning stability issues. Anything below standard just gets worse. Ive worked on a few from the early 60s all the way up to the early 2000's and theyre all like that. THe old ones were a tiny bit better though. THe design just isnt that great, which is a shame because they look so badass!

so whats the best design
for lower tunings
and heavier strings
in your opinion wiz
im havin issues right now on my samick
buzz,breakage,and way high action
sucks cause it feels so comfy and sounds good
but its fightin me at every turn

I have had two different SGs. One from 94 and a newer 2013 standard. The 94 never went lower than C. Held up fine. The 2013 is in A Standard with .014-.068 baritone strings. Handles the lower tuning just fine. I could see the older one I had having a lot of trouble with a lower tuning though. C was definitely as low as I would take that guitar.

ryan summit wrote:

The Wood Wizard wrote:



so whats the best design
for lower tunings
and heavier strings
in your opinion wiz
im havin issues right now on my samick
buzz,breakage,and way high action
sucks cause it feels so comfy and sounds good
but its fightin me at every turn

Well I wouldnt say any one particular design is the "best". The issue with the sg is the fact that theres hardly any wood connecting the neck to the guitar. You can push on the neck and drop a few semitones with moderate pressure. A stable joint helps a lot. I like neck throughs because you can have a small neck heel without sacrificing the strength. When I make something with a set neck I make sure the neck goes ALL the way to the end of the first pickup, minimum. If you really want lowlow lots of tension tunings, youll need something stout, its just the way it is. Beefy trussrod and solid joints is key. THat V I built didnt even need the trussrod at all when it was done.

Alex uses pretty low tension on his SG and Im sure thats a big help in his case. When I tune Low I use an .80 in A, Chrony uses a .68. I like a lot of tension because it negates some buzzing/flopping issues because thats just my play style. So a stong guitar with some beefy strings is usually the best performance wise. Proper setup is key too, nuts gotta be filed, saddles filed, everything polished etc.

Sounds like your truss needs adjusting and you likely need some minor fretwork too. Breakage might be because of the bridge. Almost all buzzing issues are because of the frets, and people toss guitars that can be great otherwise. I have a 5300 dollar gibson, a 4000 dollar custom form a local guy and a 400 dollar LTD. I did a lot of work on the LTD and if you were to play them blindfolded youd never know which one was 10 times cheaper!

TLDR IM a nerd and Ill prolly just fix your guitar for free if you give me a nice sandwich...

aeonrevolution wrote:Also....on a side note. Their new shit has the most raw angry vocals I think I have ever heard.

http://fister.bandcamp.com/track/perman ... -psychosis

New Fister. Awesome.

CaptainBoxman wrote:http://www.ted.com/talks/stewart_brand_ ... ready.html

An interesting TED talk there, if anyone is into science.

Did you watch Amanda Palmer's TedTalk?

The Wood Wizard wrote:300 dollars is a bit much for a fret job, unless youre gettng whole refret. I just did a fretjob for a friend for 5 dollars...BUt full price would be more like 120 depending on severity. I know ill get tons of shit for this, but FUCK Gibson. that company is dead to me. Complete overpriced shit these days, they dont even use real wood on the fingerboards anymore because they got caught using illegal sources. frets are shit, construction is OK, made mostly by giant computer controlled machines out of B stock wood and they still cost over 5 grand. Total bull. Ill never buy another NEW gibson.


SGs are notorious for having tuning stability issues. Anything below standard just gets worse. Ive worked on a few from the early 60s all the way up to the early 2000's and theyre all like that. THe old ones were a tiny bit better though. THe design just isnt that great, which is a shame because they look so badass!
ANd daniel, I have one pleked Gibson and its pretty well done. Id hope so considering a computer did all the work!

I haven't played a good new Gibson in a long time. The new finishes aren't my cup of tea either. They're producing a lot of tack. Companies like Reverend and Hagstrom are holding my attention with their Asian quality and affordable prices.

The Wood Wizard wrote:Also, today I ventured out of the doom room! posted some art Ive done and made a WTB in the BST and stuff. Feels good...One day at a time...

Oh man thats a good sammich! An you said liter so We definitely arent neighbors haha.

Shitty tuners are terrible. I use either sperzel, schaller or hipshot locking tuners on all my builds. Makes a huge difference!! Plus its easy as hell to restring.

I know I hate that feeling too. thats why all my shit has the best of everything right off the bat haha. Well im super biased and hate those vintage tuners so id throw them the fuck away and put in a set of locking schallers and never worry about it ever again. theyre pricey though. what you willing to spend?

Actually I dont recall exactly what the post hole size is for those or what your guitar has, you may need to either drill/ream the headsock a bit or get conversion fittings if they dont fit.

EDIT, I think planet waves or grovers might be a drop in replacement, honnestly youl have to measure and shop around.

Playing with Vestiges in Philly tomorrow, Haven't done a show in for an embarrassingly long time. This a good show back.

Vidret, I know diy can be nervracking when you are dealing with something as expensive as a gibson, but you could get all the needed tools for fairly cheap. I do all my own stuff now and its so much better. Less cost, no worries about it not being right when you get home, set up exactly to my preferance. It is much easier than you would think. Trick is to go slow and check your work frequently.

so whats the best design
for lower tunings
and heavier strings
in your opinion wiz
im havin issues right now on my samick
buzz,breakage,and way high action
sucks cause it feels so comfy and sounds good
but its fightin me at every turn

LP on that mother.




if i was having tuning issue i'd just go with some Schaller locking tuners, treated me really well when i had them. if you wanna use heavier strings on them you can just strip the outside to the core and string it from there.

AngryGoldfish wrote:

CaptainBoxman wrote:http://www.ted.com/talks/stewart_brand_the_dawn_of_de_extinction_are_you_ready.html

An interesting TED talk there, if anyone is into science.

Did you watch Amanda Palmer's TedTalk?

I did. I'm not sure where I stand on her at the moment. As you know, the Dolls are a big hit with me, but since the break up I'm finding AP herself to be a bit too "I'm so bohemian look at me!".

IDK

CaptainBoxman wrote:

AngryGoldfish wrote:

CaptainBoxman wrote:http://www.ted.com/talks/stewart_brand_the_dawn_of_de_extinction_are_you_ready.html

An interesting TED talk there, if anyone is into science.

Did you watch Amanda Palmer's TedTalk?

I did. I'm not sure where I stand on her at the moment. As you know, the Dolls are a big hit with me, but since the break up I'm finding AP herself to be a bit too "I'm so bohemian look at me!".

IDK

Yeah, I know what you mean. I still love her, but then again I've only known her music for three years, and only been invested in her for the last two, so you're bound to feel a little different. That TedTalk was definitely not "I'm so bohemian look at me!" She showed that she still had something genuinely unique to offer and not just "play the ukulele and be happy", which gets on my nerves after a while. It's lovely she's so supportive and encouraging, but there is talent in everyone and sometimes you need to be kicked up the ass before you can see it. Sometimes I wish she was a little more blunt in that regard and not so "let's all hold hands and revel in our mediocrity". That sounds mean as fuck, but you get what I'm trying to say. I still love her though.

deathmonkey wrote:Playing with Vestiges in Philly tomorrow, Haven't done a show in for an embarrassingly long time. This a good show back.

where at? i'm in philly.

AngryGoldfish wrote:

CaptainBoxman wrote:

AngryGoldfish wrote:

CaptainBoxman wrote:http://www.ted.com/talks/stewart_brand_the_dawn_of_de_extinction_are_you_ready.html

An interesting TED talk there, if anyone is into science.

Did you watch Amanda Palmer's TedTalk?

I did. I'm not sure where I stand on her at the moment. As you know, the Dolls are a big hit with me, but since the break up I'm finding AP herself to be a bit too "I'm so bohemian look at me!".

IDK

Yeah, I know what you mean. I still love her, but then again I've only known her music for three years, and only been invested in her for the last two, so you're bound to feel a little different. That TedTalk was definitely not "I'm so bohemian look at me!" She showed that she still had something genuinely unique to offer and not just "play the ukulele and be happy", which gets on my nerves after a while. It's lovely she's so supportive and encouraging, but there is talent in everyone and sometimes you need to be kicked up the ass before you can see it. Sometimes I wish she was a little more blunt in that regard and not so "let's all hold hands and revel in our mediocrity". That sounds mean as fuck, but you get what I'm trying to say. I still love her though.

Have you ever read the Dresden Dolls companions? The book for the first record is why I love Amanda. The first record is basically just songs she wrote between 15 and ~30 and it explains her inspiration for writing them and the big impact this ex boyfriend had on everything, and it describes their lives and all this band background and stuff and it felt really important and inspirational to me as a 16 year old who had always had trouble expressing this musical feeling (which I still have because I'm cursed to never have a band).

Amanda post-Dolls really frustrates me sometimes, but I find it hard to put my finger on what's grinding me.