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jwar wrote:What about using something like a Blowing UP or another boost pedal? Would that give me some natural sounding grit? My amp doesn't get dirty at all unless I tweak the Gain and Treble. The master volume just makes it louder. It's a very clear and clean amp. Which is awesome too! But I'm trying to see if I can achieve some of the dark tones I get out of my GK head with my Eden.

Try this for fun.. turn the master all the way up turn the gain down and slowly turn it up and see what happens..


yes this will be fucking loud.

other then that you'll have to start messing with different tubes.. all a boost will do is push the front end. But you can put in different driver and pre tubes and shit.. I know the dude that fixed my SVT once put in a pre-tube with less head room and it really pissed me off when I found out that was what was why my amp was grittier then before cuz I wanted CLEAN out of that amp at the time.

I will try that tomorrow! Thanks man!!

Low wattage amps. I've got an ashdown little bastard (30W) which sounds awesome and gritty at fairly low volumes, but you can just use a small guitar amp. My 15W guitar amp through my bass cab is a really great sound, it breaks up at super low volumes and has a really nice midrangey tone.

Other than that, a loud boost in front to maybe dirty up the preamp a bit, or different tubes like other people said.

Try an attenuator. I didn't feel like dropping 2 or 3 hundred on a Weber Mass or a Hotplate, so I got one of those old Tom Scholz power soaks for like 60 bucks on ebay, and I totally dig it. It used to be that running my amp at 3 with half of the tubes pulled just barely got dirty and was so loud that it blew the rest of the band out of the room. Now I have the tubes back in, and I was able to crank the amp to where I got the dirt I really wanted (which is right between 5 and 6), and set the volume wherever the hell I want. Generally I'm using the power soak to take off either 9 or 12 dBs. One caveat though, when you really crank the volume down with the power soak to like bedroom volumes, the tone gets muddy and starts sounding like a blanket over the amp. But there really is nothing like power tube OD, and you can't get that with a master volume anyway. The only way to get it is either an attenuator, a really low wattage amp, or just being really fucking loud.

Mudfuzz wrote:

jwar wrote:What about using something like a Blowing UP or another boost pedal? Would that give me some natural sounding grit? My amp doesn't get dirty at all unless I tweak the Gain and Treble. The master volume just makes it louder. It's a very clear and clean amp. Which is awesome too! But I'm trying to see if I can achieve some of the dark tones I get out of my GK head with my Eden.

Try this for fun.. turn the master all the way up turn the gain down and slowly turn it up and see what happens..


yes this will be fucking loud.

So I switched the impedance on my cab from 4 ohms to 8 ohms and it made a HUGE difference. I turned the gain up, bam, dirty, dirty girl. So weird. Can a cab really make that much of a difference or am I fucking nuts here?

did you have the switch on the back set to 8 ohms? it should match the cab. you switched it on your cab? or amp?

No I had the switch on the back of the cab set to 4 ohms and the head is 8. So I flipped it and it made a pretty big difference.

yup that would do it

I've gleaned from TB that power attenuators on hi watt bass amps are no bueno. Fine for 100 watt amps,...not so much for 300 watt amps.

I have heard the same. in fact I don't even know where you could find a 300 watt attenuator.
Also before I knew anything about impedance I was runing amps and cabs all sorts of wrong kind of makes me wonder how some of those amps would sound set up correctly.

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I've wanted a 400+ for a while and found one in my area. Just not sure if I want to spend that kind of money on something I don't need. Being responsible sucks.

warwick.hoy wrote:I've gleaned from TB that power attenuators on hi watt bass amps are no bueno. Fine for 100 watt amps,...not so much for 300 watt amps.

My orange is 200 and has a built in one

Well okay yeah. With a 300 watt tube amp, you're not gonna be able to get it to overdrive unless you're playing madison square fucking garden. I never get why everyone over at talkbass always pulls that shit about a bassist needing 500 watts or some dumb shit to keep up with a 100 watt guitar player. That makes no sense at all. My guitarist and I are both playing 100 watt amps with similar sized cabs, and you know what, our volumes balance great. So I don't know why everyone over there always wants a thousand fucking watts or some dumb thing.

bigchiefbc wrote:Well okay yeah. With a 300 watt tube amp, you're not gonna be able to get it to overdrive unless you're playing madison square fucking garden. I never get why everyone over at talkbass always pulls that shit about a bassist needing 500 watts or some dumb shit to keep up with a 100 watt guitar player. That makes no sense at all. My guitarist and I are both playing 100 watt amps with similar sized cabs, and you know what, our volumes balance great. So I don't know why everyone over there always wants a thousand fucking watts or some dumb thing.

trucknutz....

I agree if you need 1000 watts you are going to be playing with a PA anyway so..