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frigid midget wrote:As far as the FZ-2 goes...I.actually think it has Bee Baa pedrigree, instead of Superfuzz. The "real" superfuzz clones I tried, sounded closer to my vintage Ibanez Standard fuzz. The Wattson one comes to mind. It's a close as they come, both in terms of tones as in aesthetics. The FZ-2 is way more agressive than an FY-2, more buzz, in a good kinda way. More sustain, sounds more agressive and menacing. Powerful eq, a stupid loud boost mode,...Cuts through a mix like a battle axe through a fresh corpse.

The FZ2 sounds different from a traditional superfuzz because of the infrastructure around the fuzz circuit. The buffers and EQ will change the tone even if they are set 'flat.' Boss also made a number of changes to the octave generation circuit to make it less intense than a vintage pedal. This also helps with consistency between pedals when you manufacture in large quantities.

But in terms of what an FZ2 is it is very much a superfuzz with extra circuitry wrapped around it to make it more controllable.

Fucking Dungeon Master is so sick. Only got to rip on it for a few minutes yesterday but wow, a total fucking trip. Very wide range with the EQ and sounds killer..... KILLER with my bass - always hard to gauge if a pedal will mesh with an active 6 string. So glad for the smaller enclosure as well, and the really wonderful jack placement..... can’t wait to grind with this over the weekend!!

Finally, I got this today, a Zed Venarossa The Ground Licker.
Super cool take on the superfuzz, never heard one with such clarity and definition up to now.
Flood control is basically a bass control: first half you get some very nice standard and vintage tones, from noon upwards this one becomes a doom/sludge/drone beast!

Really loving the name “Ground Licker” fwiw

retinal orbita wrote:Really loving the name “Ground Licker” fwiw

The name it's cool, and it sounds also very well!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPk4AlpGYec[/youtube]

John Matrix wrote:How well does the Dungeon Master handle non-powerchord chords? The byoc superfuzz clone I have muds up chords pretty bad with lots of clashing overtones and such.

Depending on how far back you roll the fuzz, anywhere from "not great" to "very poorly."

Perfect.

Any fuzz with an octave like a superfuzz is going to get those clashing overtones. That's like 95% of the fun.

If I was going to name a Super Fuzz I’d call it “Bile Puking Skeleton”

whoismarykelly wrote:Any fuzz with an octave like a superfuzz is going to get those clashing overtones. That's like 95% of the fun.

^

Yep

whoismarykelly wrote:Any fuzz with an octave like a superfuzz is going to get those clashing overtones. That's like 95% of the fun.

What has the most extreme overtones? Something like an Ampeg Scrambler?

^ probably something with an external bias control, to really emphasise the octave.

hard to go wrong with a green ringer clone/similar into your favourite non-octave fuzz tbh

A bias control wont necessarily emphasize the octave depending on where in the circuit it is. With modern parts a typical superfuzz build will have very strong octave and massive overtones. Some originals had a balance trimpot because part tolerances weren't great but when I build my stuff every transistor that comes out of the bag measures within a few percentage points of the next and that makes the full wave rectifier super consistent. You can get maybe a bit more clang from a Foxx Tone Machine or even a Brassmaster but its a slightly different texture and of course no mid scoop if you're looking for that sound.

MechaGodzilla wrote:^ probably something with an external bias control, to really emphasise the octave.

hard to go wrong with a green ringer clone/similar into your favourite non-octave fuzz tbh

I've never tried a Green Ringer, to my knowledge, who makes a good one at the moment?

EDIT: Looks like Fredric make one (the Grumbly Wolf). They have a lot of classic circuits covered!

the person that builds the best ringer is you, yourself, from a kit.