zoooombiex wrote:
Yeah, they're definitely different workflows, though it's not quite as different as might first appear.
With the original, you are still technically "preparing" the pedal in advance because you are still setting a pre-set loop length with the sliders - just like with the RI. Put another way, both pedals only infinite loop the amount of material corresponding to the loop length set with the sliders.
Also, with the RI you can still use the pedal while recording like you can with the original - the feedback at 0 was just to describe a silent listening scenario. If you put the feedback above 0 you can use it as a delay (like the original), and then whenever you stop recording it's effectively the same as hitting "infinite."
So the key workflow difference is that you have to hit "record" first on the RI. The original is always recording by default, so you hit infinite to turn off recording.
Ah ah! I guess someone needs to make a video to show the differences between the two... There was a thread on tgp about this and people couldn't solve the case...
I have an original 16s delay and a Blooper.
From what I understand, the RI works great for what you need, so the differences with the original are irrelevant.
And if we talk about sound on sound, then yes, original, RI, or Blooper are perfect for that.
But other than that, the workflow induced by the pedal's design is crucial. You've described it perfectly, the original "records continuously by default". That's where the difference is. The original is mainly a delay, with the ability to lock whatever you're already hearing into a loop. The on/off footswitch rather works like a "mute" footswitch. You have no control on your loop's starting point. Chance decides. On the Manecco looper you have a toggle switch to set the pedal on "always listening" mode, so that shows there's a difference. On the other hand, among all its features, the RI turned the 16s into a phrase looper, adding the rec footswitch (I guess this was made to make it appealing to musicians looking for that kind of looper).
So it's a different workflow and a different state of mind when you play. It all depends on what you're trying to achieve. According to what Eivind is looking for here, it seems like the original 16s or the Manecco would fit best, as a go-with-the-flow/on the fly/no brainer delay.
Along the same lines, I can't do with Blooper what I can do with the original 16s. They're just not designed the same way. (nothing wrong with that, the Blooper is fantastic).
That's precisely what is baffling me; the workflow that the original 16s offers is still unique to this day. Or you have to buy a clone. (By the way, I believe this is why it is incredibly expensive on the used market; had the RI been an exact rendition of the original, it would have brought the prices down, just like it did with the DMM reissues: the DMM RI share the same price tag with the originals...)
Fortunately, with a pcm42 rendition in the works (according to this thread), and new groundbreaking pedals like Blooper, we might get more unusual loopers in the near future, that's good news.