analog delays, so many of these god damn things

[Christophe]

Being a delay freak, here's my 2 cent:
-you say you want analog cuz you have an all analog signal path etc.... To me "analog" also refers to a specific time/era. If you want analog, you have to go old tape delay (original space echo, copycat, etc...), or pedals built in the 80s (Maxon, Ibanez, Boss) up to the big box DMM (truly fantastic!). That's where the analog vibe is.

And that's it.

There's no such thing as analog + modern features. It's like you cant have a Ford Mustang + modern options on it. If you want an old car, you dont go look for a car built today that might be like a car from the 60s, right?
That being said, there's plenty of other stuff, other technology etc...
From all I've tried, I love the 616, echo dream2, Meet Maude, even the Mooer reecho. They all sound natural, and warm, and lush, and full.. It's hard to describe, but lets say it gives you tone, more than sounds or fx? The Pladask sounds great too...
Nemesis, timeline, echosystem etc are great as great can be. They are fantastic for forging sounds. But it's not the analog shit, it's something else. It's a dead end buying a Tonal Recall to emulate a Boss dm2. You'll never use it that way, you'll be buying it to do what the Tonal Recall is good at: being a Tonal recall!
I dont get all the love for the rubberneck, it feels like it doesn't have a tone of it's own...

[pigmaker]

Being a delay freak, here's my 2 cent:
-you say you want analog cuz you have an all analog signal path etc.... To me "analog" also refers to a specific time/era. If you want analog, you have to go old tape delay (original space echo, copycat, etc...), or pedals built in the 80s (Maxon, Ibanez, Boss) up to the big box DMM (truly fantastic!). That's where the analog vibe is.

once upon a time i had a plexi reissue and after i put a line6 distortion modeler in my signal path my tone went to absolute digital shit
that's why i am anti digital present-day
technology has improved a lot since then but i'd still rather keep my signal path analog, i am pluggin into an amp from the 60's now, why would i add digital effects to my path when i dont have to
also i like the way analog delays sound a lot more than digital delays
so if i were to toss all these reasons aside, i would be using digital effects simply for the sake of using digital effects. there has been nothing i have heard that made me go "wow thats incredible, i must have it" then i found out it was digital and i said "oh no well i guess i cant"

I dont get all the love for the rubberneck, it feels like it doesn't have a tone of it's own...

ok.
no offense but that is a pretty weak ass take.
you can say that about just about any effect, that it's derived from or sounds like another effect. literally about 90% of effect pedals


edit: sorry for assuredly coming off like a dick in this post, ive been workin on about 3 hrs of sleep a night for the last week
just to be clear, i dont have anything personal against digital stuff, you don't have to get off my lawn, for example my recording method is to track guitars vocals etc using zero coloration through a transparent solid state preamp into a/d converter, and every bit of processing i do is digitally, using vintage hardware modeling. i have no outboard studio gear

[Christophe]

also i like the way analog delays sound a lot more than digital delays

Yep, me too. (eventhough I've been pairing a DD5 and the echodream 2, man, these 2 different sounds together....) And I may be misreading you, but if you wanna stay on the sacred analog route, it boils down to 2/3 pedals really, but so expensive today...

I dont get all the love for the rubberneck, it feels like it doesn't have a tone of it's own...

ok.
no offense but that is a pretty weak ass take.
you can say that about just about any effect, that it's derived from or sounds like another effect. literally about 90% of effect pedals

Ah ah, yeah maybe that needed a more elaborate statement.
To my ears, the way the rubberneck's repeats are filtered is a bit dull. And the tone and dirt knobs are only adding a bright or dark, and a more or less dirty quality to a dull sound. When I listen to the 616 repeats, I hear a radical take on the repeats' sound. When I listen to the Meet Maude, I heat another radical take, I hear the difference between the two. Some sort of "take it or leave it" attitude. But on the Rubberneck, I cant tell where it stands... It's just repeats... It is trying to please too many people, and as a result, its tone doesn't stand out....
Hope this makes more sense... I'm just talking about how it changes (or not) your signal. On the other hand, I do understand that the way it is feature-packed can be appealing... (for me it's a tone vs features issue).

[pigmaker]

that's some timing.

hey i just edited my post at the end, literally at the same time you posted just now
hope you get a minute to read it

as far as sticking to the analog only approach with delays i think the only issue that i have found so far is when trying to find a tape echo. now that... that is a situation where a person is going to be paying a ton if they are sticking to some analog purity shit

meet maude, i loved fucking loved the demo, but 98.6% of my playing that would be done through it would be with overdrive at least, more likely fuzz. the entire demo was clean guitar IIRC
which is wonderful if that is what you play, because it sounds awesome on clean guitar. unfortunately i do not, at all, so this defaults me to the rubberneck, which is a pretty fucking great fallback, or carbon copy deluxe which i think is inferior

[Christophe]

that's some timing.

hey i just edited my post at the end, literally at the same time you posted just now
hope you get a minute to read it

No problem with your post man!
I do use analog and digital, depending on what I'm doing... Love both, but do prefer analog delays for my guitar tones.

The ps2 is no analog delay at all, but it's a grimy lil' bastard anyway. Have you tried that?

[pigmaker]

that's some timing.

hey i just edited my post at the end, literally at the same time you posted just now
hope you get a minute to read it

No problem with your post man!
I do use analog and digital, depending on what I'm doing... Love both, but do prefer analog delays for my guitar tones.

The ps2 is no analog delay at all, but it's a grimy lil' bastard anyway. Have you tried that?

thanks brother.
no i haven't tried the ps2, it is one of about 25 (really) demo videos of different pitch shifters i am about to run through
there are lots of pitch shifters out there, holy shit

[weebles]

once upon a time i had a plexi reissue and after i put a line6 distortion modeler in my signal path my tone went to absolute digital shit

Oh, so this is a *you* problem, then.

[pigmaker]

once upon a time i had a plexi reissue and after i put a line6 distortion modeler in my signal path my tone went to absolute digital shit

Oh, so this is a *you* problem, then.

yes, if i am the only person who had their signal path turned into shrill noisy digital shit after switching on a line 6 DM4, then the problem does indeed lie with me, weebles.

[Eivind August]

I might be misunderstanding something here, but wouldn't pitch shifters go against your "all analog"-policy?

[pigmaker]

I might be misunderstanding something here, but wouldn't pitch shifters go against your "all analog"-policy?

right, but running on an fx loop for a delay that id be using probably sparingly. and the pitch shifter itself wouldn't be "always on" on the fx loop either. so about 3% of the time, yes, i would be using a digital effect. one that my entire signal would not be running through, in any case.

i see that you're trying to be helpful though, i appreciate it

[Eivind August]

Right, I see what you mean. Some pitch shifter probably also have analog dry through or whatever it's called these days.

[friendship]

I might be misunderstanding something here, but wouldn't pitch shifters go against your "all analog"-policy?

so about 3% of the time, yes, i would be using a digital effect.

[weebles]

once upon a time i had a plexi reissue and after i put a line6 distortion modeler in my signal path my tone went to absolute digital shit

Oh, so this is a *you* problem, then.

yes, if i am the only person who had their signal path turned into shrill noisy digital shit after switching on a line 6 DM4, then the problem does indeed lie with me, weebles.

I got food poisoning once from eating a whole pizza I bought at 7-11. I still eat pizza.

Otherwise, apologies for the lack of sarcasm font. I primarily post sarcastic shit on this site after a few drinks, then follow-up apologies the next day.

[pigmaker]

damn all i had to do was be a rude asshole to a guy on a sunday, now we suddenly have an elite thread on our hands

[adamajah]

damn all i had to do was be a rude asshole to a guy on a sunday, now we suddenly have an elite thread on our hands

Yep, the way of teh ILF.

Also, my favorite new thing to put in delay fx loops is an envelope filter. Makes the repeats super murky but with a little filtery swooshiness to them...