New concepts for effect pedals?

[CBGB]

Ok so even an analog harmonizer would be an evolution, not a revolution... but what about new pedal concepts?

[Scruffie]

An entirely new pedal concept, A spherical spiral or helix wave pedal! I don't know what it would sounds like, but I wanna hear it and it would have to have art all done by hand with a spyrograph.

I was thinking about some kind of more basic version of the EHX microsynth being kinda cool, not exactly new but fun, with analogue technology most people have covered the sensible grounds of madness and things start to look huge or impossible further down the line, we need some DSP capable members really otherwise it's just combining old ideas with differen't ideas,

FSH (Filter Sample & Hold) is something that hasn't been over done too much, but tbh I don't really care for it either... arpeggiators are kinda cool, but that's more of an digital thing too... just have to hope for new tones but I can't see anyone really re inventing the wheel unless it's an happy accident.

I've chatted to some really innovative pedal makers in the past... What's been done has been done and those ideas get stuck to, new tones though can still open up a whole new world of music but maybe we need to look at how we play rather than effects we can add.

[monoblock]

there was a scientific investigation on human anatomy some years back; in the end they discovered that our THUMBS have gotten larger and larger and larger along the last decades.
so maybe that could help develop a new playing style. (and maybe lead to bass strings getting even bigger. yummy) hehe

[WaveForm3]

I always liked squarewave parade and sirkut electronics for that wierd shit.

http://www.noiseguide.com/product_list/ ... lectronics

[Roseweave]

The other problem is that "new" effects don't tend to be all that useful except for glitch/synth stuff. That's a problem. I think what most people want is something like a chorus/flange/phaser but not a chorus/flange/phaser. Making certain effects envelope driven or LFO driven might create a whole new effect - like the way Auto-Wah is a lot more bubbly. The Liqua-flange has an envelope flange i think, but it'd be nice to have a dedicated unit. Or maybe a Flange like the Morley Pro Flanger(controlled by expression pedal). Zvex kind of did this with his sequence stuff but let's face it sequenced stuff is probably the most boring out of the three. There's a lot of "unused" concepts here that have been tried once and never elaborated on, or not tried at all.

Fourier Transforms can make for interesting effects. A digital FT pedal would be interesting. Obviously FTs will be used in advanced harmoniser/pitch shifting, but I mean using it as an actual effect. I used to use it on my voice to make it sound odd.

Think about all the different artifacts you can make in sound editting. Or things like using the whammy for the octave up function just to get that weird sound. That kind of thing might be what "new" effects will be like.

[1,2,3, Pull Out!]

there was a scientific investigation on human anatomy some years back; in the end they discovered that our THUMBS have gotten larger and larger and larger along the last decades.
so maybe that could help develop a new playing style. (and maybe lead to bass strings getting even bigger. yummy) hehe

I think everyone should start playing really awkward chords and super hard riffs, that way we'll eventually grow a new finger.

[CBGB]

Lol i'm no genius but I am up for making a crazy effect, if I get some cash to try it out, yeah i'l send you some sound clips for sure.
Who knows, maybe I will fluke something good.

Hey Scruffie,
How much cash would it take for you to try this out?

Just wondering... I'm going to be back in Britain next month for a couple of days... PM me if you're interested, maybe we could work something out?

[Scruffie]

Much as I appreciate the offer (I really do) I never like to be indebted and with no job, paying people back becomes... hard to say the least lol and to do it in a budget style with what I have lying around and it taking me three times as long probably £50-100 if I did proper research... alot more which is far to much cash for me to take from someone, however if your in Britain, perhaps we can go for a drink!

However.. this may not be the last you hear of my estranged ideas... I'l break out the breadboard at some point this week and use my head for some free ideas for the next few days... there's alot I wanna try and i'm hopefull of its sound.

[Scruffie]

Hmm thinking has got me some way for an idea for getting somewhere with the idea for an analogue harmonizer... I think it may be pretty possible... it will be pretty jumpy for most of the guitars neck and more ring modulatory than what you may have in your head and also synthy but the glitchiness is part of the fun

I'm also thinking that I could add a swell function (by stealing an swell fuzz circuit I saw admittedly) and then it could develop into the mini micro synth I said about with harmonizing type sound capabilities... so basically selectable octave up, down, fuzz and swell in an 1590BB... the bread board is looking more and more tempting.

So many crazy ideas... so little beer, time & money...

[CBGB]

Yeah, yeah... keep going (eating popcorn interested emoticon)... Do you think there will be any harmonies, or just octaves?

Beer sounds like a very good idea

[monoblock]

maybe f*cking around with native instruments reaktor as an effects unit is a way to go (there's an endless pool of weirdness). when you finally find what you've been looking for, go build it the analogue way. or go dsp. or tell people to imagine it to sound like what you were thinking of. free drugs for everyone

[Scruffie]

Yeah, yeah... keep going (eating popcorn interested emoticon)... Do you think there will be any harmonies, or just octaves?

Beer sounds like a very good idea

Yeah I can't quite explain it, the fuzz on top of the octave will give it that detuned up and down effect though if you get me... I actually love harmonizers so making this work holds interest for me although I have just been sourced for another project for an exhibition so a wait may occur on the finalized product, sound clips by the beggining of september hopefully.

But beer sounds like an good idea to me too

[Scruffie]

I know this might sound horrible... and incredibly strange... but what about some kind of detuned horn/siren effect? I love horror and i'm thinking along the lines of silent hill tbh lol...

Fuck knows how i'd go about it but if it could be done, I want one.

[Roseweave]

In particular I'm having trouble finding an "original" distortion pedal. I don't want it to be a fuzz. I want a high gain distortion pedal that doesn't sound like an overexposed amp.

[Scruffie]

In particular I'm having trouble finding an "original" distortion pedal. I don't want it to be a fuzz. I want a high gain distortion pedal that doesn't sound like an overexposed amp.

J-Fet tube emulation of amp heads is the most original thing i've seen recently... just taking the sound of your favourite amp and sticking it in a pedal, as this pedal does emulating the Mesa Boogie Dual Rectafier - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8eavPywIHQ (High enough gain? )

But all distortion ends up happening the same way... that's just the nature of it, running on a higher voltage can give you more headroom though if that's what you mean.