The Circle of Synth or: why I decided to (mostly) quit euro

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Here's a better explanation of why i'm integrating the two....

MOST modular artists it seems use it for techno, industrial, bleep bloop music, and a smaller portion do it for ambient and/or drones. It was the ambient/drone side of things that caught my attention. However, even here, the MAJORITY of ambient / drone artists all have a similar workflow and in turn, a similar sound at a very broad level. No doubt there are people doing very interesting things (field recordings mixed with modular, very few (it seems) integrating with guitar, etc). In the MAJORITY of cases it seems it is all one or the other. You're either modular or you're pedals. There are people mixing the two and bring the worlds together which is PART of what I want to do. Besides what i've said earlier in this thread, a big appeal is the ability to have sounds evolve and change WITHOUT using knobs or expression pedals and simply by setting your patch. Parallel processing is going to be very important to me because i want to retain the guitar sound first and foremost (of course this will depend on what kind of track i'm making or layer for that track but i mean this for my overall sound). I don't want to sound like a guitar turned into a synth. I don't want to use modular as some do to turn a synth into a guitar. Minimalism is key for me in a lot of this... which is funny cause it is modular afterall. Not minimalism in gear but in what is going on in a patch. It may be something as simple as taking the send/return on one of my delay pedals and having Clouds in that loop..... but within that loop having a very melodic and ryhthmic patch happening over the long repeats of my delay pedal s\to achieve something that is much more difficult to do with pedals.... not impossible by any means. I do a lot of this stuff already with pedals but i feel modular opens up a lot more possibilities. Not to say i won't create full tracks with modular and use pedals as secondary because that will happen as well. Aside from these methods I am all about layers and textures. Nothing excites me more about making music than when you come up with a sound or texture that is unlike anything you've ever heard before. Making layers under, over, parallel to the guitar is where it's at for me.

I don't think I'll ever have one standard workflow. While that makes things easier, I find myself more creative when I change workflows. As an example of mixing it all, i'll do something like create a drum track with DrumBrute, use Organelle through modular for one layer, use guitar for another layer, use a combination of two for another, use the Folktek Triad for a texture layer, process vocals through modular, create a bass line with Sub 37 through modular, run a field recording through modular for another layer and it goes on and on and on. That's just what brings me joy and ultimately, what I feel is, something a little different from the "norm" in these areas....... but this is ILF and not many people here are doing the "norm" of anything......... which is why i love this place!

I'm the pinnacle of excess when it comes to buying gear but it hasn't stifled my creativity or writing. If anything, it has helped me grow as an artist with a more unique vision and understanding of what it is I want out of this. Don't get me wrong... i'll always throw a guitar straight into my Verellen on the high gain channel and do the br00tz and i'll record things like that as well, but I think my gear purchases have ultimately helped define what kind of artist I will be. I'm SURE i would write more than i do with a 6 pedal pedalboard that never changed.... i'd probably play better because i wouldn't be fiddling with pedals and gear.... i'd probably have more songs out... but FOR ME, i wouldn't be as fulfilled as I am taking the route i've taken so far.

This whole modular thing is a test for me. I may end up hating it, which is fine, but in the meantime, i LOVE that i'm learning it. I think it'll help even if I drop it all and go back to strictly pedals. I enjoy the building blocks mentality of it. Anyways..... enough ramble. I'm gonna go buy a Triple Sloth now. :facepalm:
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I was talking about this with Monkey Dancer the other day (and Spacelord and IM touched on this a little bit in our ILFcast) but I think a big reason why we're seeing so many people get into Euro right now is because there isn't an easy way to replicate what the Clouds does in a stomp box.

To explain a little bit: it's an effect that is very obviously "usable" to guitar/bass/stringed instrument people, especially compared to something like, say, the Maths (there's a reason these are the two most common modules on modular grid, after all). So you see that, and you go "oh, ok, this is fucking rad. Maybe there's more to this than bleeps and bloops and checking your iphone while your machine plays your set for you. I bet this sounds fucking killer with a guitar run into it." (spoiler: I'm sure they're right, because Clouds is fantastic)

But, for whatever reason, this hasn't translated (much that I've seen) into the Pittsburgh modular "pedalboard" thingy. Not sure why.

Also, not to toot my own horn, but:
Ruiner wrote:No doubt there are people doing very interesting things (field recordings mixed with modular, very few (it seems) integrating with guitar, etc).
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D.o.S. wrote:I was talking about this with Monkey Dancer the other day (and Spacelord and IM touched on this a little bit in our ILFcast) but I think a big reason why we're seeing so many people get into Euro right now is because there isn't an easy way to replicate what the Clouds does in a stomp box.

To explain a little bit: it's an effect that is very obviously "usable" to guitar/bass/stringed instrument people, especially compared to something like, say, the Maths (there's a reason these are the two most common modules on modular grid, after all). So you see that, and you go "oh, ok, this is fucking rad. Maybe there's more to this than bleeps and bloops and checking your iphone while your machine plays your set for you. I bet this sounds fucking killer with a guitar run into it." (spoiler: I'm sure they're right, because Clouds is fantastic)

But, for whatever reason, this hasn't translated (much that I've seen) into the Pittsburgh modular "pedalboard" thingy. Not sure why.

Also, not to toot my own horn, but:
Ruiner wrote:No doubt there are people doing very interesting things (field recordings mixed with modular, very few (it seems) integrating with guitar, etc).
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
See, this gets me curious again. I've always been intrigued by the Maths, but I haven't checked out the Clouds. That's been the other daunting thing with Eurorack... ffs there's so much out there, feels impossible to get a foothold in terms of what to check out.

I will check out demos and probably get salty. :p
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Clouds is a granular synth pedal and it basically blows anything that's available on the floor out of the water.
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God dammit.
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I think the PM Pedalboard thing totally flopped because it was insanely cost prohibitive. It was like what, $750 for just the case itself? I get what goes into it but we're talking about the top of the line stuff in guitar pedal world being $500 (Strymon). I don't know the cost breakdown of making the PM Pedalbox so I can't comment on where it went wrong, but the price was absolutely insane. I went from "that thing looks cool I want it" to "It's actually cheaper to just get a case and a Send/Return module."

Also Clouds rules but please modulate the hell out of all the parameters. Randomly modulate it. You can get so many more cool sounds than the one sound everyone gets.
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Ugh.... D.o.S. stop making me want clouds in the Pittsburgh patch box... I talked myself out of that like a year ago. :lol:

I thought the patchbox was a cool idea. Maybe not fully baked but it was nice to see them trying something new. Discontinued now, so I guess there wasn't too much interest in it. I probably would have used it tabletop honesty, I think the idea of modular on the floor was too much for people? Modular is kinda delicate and expensive for stomping, no?.

The other thing is the price. Clouds is 359 list? Plus the patch box was 349 for the case only. So that's 708 already plus I'm sure you'd need a few utility modules to get the most out of clouds so you are looking at what, like 900-1000 for a "pedal" ? Granted a really cool pedal but that's still pushing it, no? Especially given the slight awkwardness. Apples and oranges I know, but you are almost in octatrack territory there with that price.
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Yeah I didn't realize that it was that expensive, actually, since I never really needed it/looked into it.
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It was definitely my original plan to get that but then I realized that it was really small for that price point, and that I hate doing ambient shit on guitar and bass. Easy way to segue into just going full synth which I enjoy far more.
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Guitars get in the way. Those knobs don't twiddle themselves.
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Yeah, the Pittsburgh footswitch case is what first got me looking into it. I thought it was awesome and wanted it instantly for the delay possibilities alone but cost was one thing and i couldn't see all the patching on the floor. Now that i've looked into it far more i see there's ways to integrate on/off switches in footpedal form, use expression pedals with modular, have them up in front of you for ease of use/tweaking, integrating your own pedalboard and it just seems to make a lot more sense then the Pittsburgh.

I still don't think modular makes sense for an average guitar player of course. It really all depends on what kind of music you're doing, how you do it (workflow), are you in a band?, do you need it live?, are you only using it for recording?, etc etc.
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Dark Barn wrote:Guitars get in the way. Those knobs don't twiddle themselves.
V much agree with this and ST's post before it. When I wanna synth, I synth. Guitar, guitar. There are times of crossover, but I'm typically very happy with them being their own things.
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raj007 wrote:I was basically trying to build modular w pedals
Me too. Tried it with rack synths and effects too...that actually worked out pretty nicely for a while, but there wasn't anywhere near enough control or ease of use. Then the euro gaswave of 2015 just swept me in. Feeling quite relieved and at home now.
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Such a great thread...

I admire what you're doing, Ruiner. You have a plan and you're experimenting. Trying to find your artistic direction and letting us in on the process. Dig it, man.

There's certainly no right and wrong with this shit.

And I certainly admire November for going the other way. It's largely coming to an understanding of what we need to fulfill our creative goals...and the whole trial and error process.

It's kind of funny because I'm in the place of learning...learning synthesis, and modular synthesis, it's really kind of like learning a new language and I love that process. I haven't done this kind of learning since graduating from college haha.

I think the Phenol is going to teach me a lot , not only about synthesis, but where I want to go next...either Euro, or maybe just get a couple more stand-alone instruments much like what November is now doing...
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One of these days I'm going to look up what the Phenol is :lol:
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