Ring mods 101

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Re: Ring mods 101

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lordgalvar wrote: Gonkulator reissue: the distortion smooths things out a bit and it really is pretty good for the price. I think it will play nicer with a larger variety of guitar/bass oriented setups because of the way the preamp is designed. Doesn't have nearly the range of many others (right around a frequency analyzer).
That's a good description of how the Gonkulator RI's distortion interacts with its ring mod effect. I tried to like this pedal, but the constant carrier wave oscillation killed it for me. There are a few settings where it is less present, though it is always screeching in the background when the frequency is set higher. The oscillation noise isn't as intense as what a Sirkut Electronics R-mod can produce, but still annoying enough to result in a return.

Are there any affordable analog ring modulation pedals out there that don't oscillate? I almost got the Moog Minifooger RM instead of the Gonkulator and bet I'll be kicking myself when someone responds.
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I somehow managed to get my MF-102 for $160 on Reverb.

It opens up so much sonic territory it's ridiculous. There are so many new textures to be found with careful knob turning. It's nice to have extremely ugly tones at the push of a button as well.
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lordgalvar wrote: Gonkulator reissue: the distortion smooths things out a bit and it really is pretty good for the price. I think it will play nicer with a larger variety of guitar/bass oriented setups because of the way the preamp is designed. Doesn't have nearly the range of many others (right around a frequency analyzer).
That's a good description of how the Gonkulator RI's distortion interacts with its ring mod effect. I tried to like this pedal, but the constant carrier wave oscillation killed it for me. There are a few settings where it is less present, though it is always screeching in the background when the frequency is set higher. The oscillation noise isn't as intense as what a Sirkut Electronics R-mod can produce, but still annoying enough to result in a return.

Are there any affordable analog ring modulation pedals out there that don't oscillate? I almost got the Moog Minifooger RM instead of the Gonkulator and bet I'll be kicking myself when someone responds.
You can turn off the Sick Pitch King Jr.'s oscillator, but it kind of always screeches.
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ive had good experience with co pilot fx....
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im not one to use ring mods with guitar but when I have.. I could never find the one that worked with my "ears", probably the moog, but my favorite is the dba space ring, just at first seems like overpowering mess...but soon enough you realize it can be used in soooooooo manyways. ...but the copilot is affordable and stuff...sounds like roboticmetal?? somethin like that.
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I've been using the Bitquest in place of the MF-102 I sold but I'm really considering a gonkulator reissue or something. The Bitquest doesn't seem gnarly enough
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ck3 wrote: That's a good description of how the Gonkulator RI's distortion interacts with its ring mod effect. I tried to like this pedal, but the constant carrier wave oscillation killed it for me. There are a few settings where it is less present, though it is always screeching in the background when the frequency is set higher. The oscillation noise isn't as intense as what a Sirkut Electronics R-mod can produce, but still annoying enough to result in a return.

Are there any affordable analog ring modulation pedals out there that don't oscillate? I almost got the Moog Minifooger RM instead of the Gonkulator and bet I'll be kicking myself when someone responds.
All ring mod (balanced mod, frequency shift, etc) requires two oscillators (the guitar or whatever instrument is one). You can ring mod a single oscillator for an octave up effect, but it is essentially still to oscillators being multiplied.

What it sounds like you might be experiencing is an imbalance between levels. You could either be multiplying line noise or just have an oscillator that is louder than your signal. Try releveling everything (gain and stuff), changing the position relative to buffers, compression, or a noise gate. It could also be that the frequency of the carrier and the side bands it creates are just overtaking the modulator's signal when heard by your ear.

Ring modulation will do nothing unless there are two oscillators present. IC based pedals (like the gonkulator and mf102) make something happen with a wider range of signals than a pure diode ring so sometimes one oscillator can be slightly more dominant at output (opposed to a diode ring that will probably do nothing).

Personally, I've never had that problem with the gonkulator RI. I can say that the SPK2, CA Ring Mod, and several others are far less balanced. I find the EHX FA, copilot Robotum/Planetoid, mood ef102, and to be easy to use/ sound good for the price...But there are a ton more too. The Carlin has no suppression at all.

Here recently though I use external carriers and prefer diode ring ones. :idk:
D.o.S. wrote: You can turn off the Sick Pitch King Jr.'s oscillator, but it kind of always screeches.
SPK2 just passes the carrier oscillator to the output in combination to the normal ring mod. The oscillator is always there. More like the Caracol or an osc fuzz kinda.
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Anyone used the Mycelium by Wilson? I've been wanting a Mold Spore but keep missing 'em on eBay and Reverb, or they're stupid expensive.
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No, but I've wanted a Mycelium since he released 'em. All the demos I've heard (mostly Burgs') have sounded really nice. :snax:

(Also, I should've picked up a DBA Space Ring when they first came out.) :facepalm:
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...fucking crazy chank, saw one go for 400 other day listed for only a few hours...ones goin right now for 500...they were 200 free shipping when dba let them go.
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Yeah, I just didn't have the $ at the time.

I recently saw a Space Ring clone on Reverb. Pretty cheap. Kinda wanted it, but wasn't sure it'd sound like the real thing. :idk:
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ive listen to those demos a few times...i seriously hate that guy putting those out, but whatever thats just my sentimental touch for dba... even the dude says the sound come ''close'' to originals, all i noticed was a little more wide umf!! coming out the originals than the clones.
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Space ring is an interesting one. They can be had for 200-250 still when patient. A few went for that price on here last year. Probably the least range, but it is a lot of fun.
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ended up purchasing the #1 first ever pink one from dba and got a deal for a red one... in regular mode its a great big sounding ringmod...when multiplied in the other mode its basically a ''drone'' and if used with a synth on certain notes it becomes an amazing musical device...used with guitar i find il use it more in regular mode, the other can be a nice apocalyptic music for apocalyptic people type touch with geetar....just checked and someone bought it for 500......i guess i got a gold mine to cash when the shit house explodes. ;)
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Antlerface wrote:Anyone used the Mycelium by Wilson? I've been wanting a Mold Spore but keep missing 'em on eBay and Reverb, or they're stupid expensive.
Interestingly, Tim Cooper (who, I'm pretty sure, did the pcb design for the Mycelium) just uploaded this (for Kevin Wilson?).

So, it seems, there may be a revision in the works?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dz5snqsQp8[/youtube]
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