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casecandy wrote:Oh, yeah! Re: OP, I can't be bothered anymore. I love blink 182 but punk means different things to different people. I'll only bother to defend it in that abstract sense. Basically you can't criticize a poll like that unless you're prepared to criticize the music listeners who voted in the poll and then you're getting into some cringey patrician-pleb territory.

Judging other people based on their taste/knowledge of music is literally what gets me out of bed in the morning.

Now go learn to enjoy The Clash.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in6YlSXcnzk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lflzld1MWc[/youtube]

(Covering citations...felt like they needed credit even if obvious). Q1: Crass Christ the Album "The sound of one hand", Q2: Zounds "Demystification", Q3: Subhumans "peroxide"

LG coming in and legitimizing this worthless thread with his Subhumans...

Case: gotcha. The patrician/plebeian thing is exactly what I'm getting at. Despite the existence of this thread/ these conversations, isn't punk supposed to be something for people, not withheld from them? So if everyone votes that Blink is true punk, can I really just in and say 'nah fuck you that's not punk?' 'Patrician Punk,' despite being a pretty solid description of a lot of our tastes at ILF, is a total oxymoron. This poll makes me angry because it defiles the 'punk establishment'...

The circle has closed in a weird way. After living out of my ancient VW, squatting in a body mod shop, and forming a band of homeless dudes, I now surveil these young assholes from the ivory tower and say 'that's not punk.'

Voting on what is/isn't punk...aint punk.
Punk is wiping your ass with an empty ballot before stuffing it in the box.

Longwinded diatribes on what is/isn't punk...hella not punk.
Nowadays punk is just another co-opted identity caricature diluted by poseurs who've lost the plot.

Travis can play some mean drums tho

My mom used to go to punk shows in the late 70s. She told me the blink 182 arena show she went to was way more fun. So there's that...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nwGndfR4l4[/youtube]

IMO best part of that movie
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r5yc8G8OiY[/youtube]

Eh, I knew a.member of blink182. He was kicked out way before signing. Didn't sound too proud to be associated haha. I think he wrote some of the early songs too? Just some dude's uncle.

The brother of the creator of vision skateboards lived across the street from me when I was a kid. Had no clue until he gave us kids all vintage vision swag when he moved away.

snipelfritz wrote:

casecandy wrote:Oh, yeah! Re: OP, I can't be bothered anymore. I love blink 182 but punk means different things to different people. I'll only bother to defend it in that abstract sense. Basically you can't criticize a poll like that unless you're prepared to criticize the music listeners who voted in the poll and then you're getting into some cringey patrician-pleb territory.

Judging other people based on their taste/knowledge of music is literally what gets me out of bed in the morning.

Now go learn to enjoy The Clash.

While I can say I don't like poppunk or Blink at all that doesn't mean I feel Case needs to listen to the clash instead either, you can like what you like, for me I like a handfull of clash songs, and that's, ok, but, if you are looking at punk as a song type, no blink is not IMOP very punk, their songs if anything remind me of stuff like the beachboys and buddy holly, punk at it's core has to have some elements on early folk not 50's/60's pop, meaning, you need to go listen to the fugs

Personally I prefer the "less punk" Radio Clash era Clash to the "more punk" London calling et al. era stuff, because the former is closer to what "punk" means to me.
Like what you like.

The shitpost has gone legit. So not punk.

First time I heard Blink 182, I didn't think they were punk, I also had no concept of punk except maybe spiky leather jackets.

Minor Threat was the first band I heard that was called punk so I associate aggressive rebellion with punk.

popvulture wrote:The shitpost has gone legit. So not punk.

Hahahaha

So close.

Basically wanted to draw attention to the arbitrariness of this stuff. I think Rusty's definition of punk sounds like what a teenaged Blink fan would say, for example. The 'punkest' people I know don't talk about 'punk' at all. But it's fun to take the piss.

Anyway, writing about this is unsexy as hell, but you've gotta articulate some stuff if you want to grow old in it. I think having no language for your own punkitude beyond 'fuck the man' is super dumb, particularly considering the likelihood that you will become 'the man' if you haven't already.

I loved the new Refused album, though.

I-M bruh... check the quote in your sig and explain how that's different from *rusty's definition of punk* (assuming you mean the ass-wiped ballot...which is actually a riff on an anonymous anecdote I thought some1 might recognize )
Deviation... Spite is rebellion. Giving a middle finger to the status quo and making your own option, diy via statements without words.

But...you then proceed to cosign what I said did ya not?

Also a teenaged Blink fan would probably define punk as fast, loud music with tude played by spiky haired ppl with studded attire & safety pins on everything. Image.