Where do we stand on Billy Corgan? //hivemind

[casecandy]

Also, what? Like that's your takeaway? One little half-sentence from a larger more interesting quote two paragraphs long, followed by a glib ad hominem? I expect more from you, my lobstah-eating friend.

[D.o.S.]

One of the things about reading and writing for a living (rather than teaching people to do it) is that you can deduce very quickly whether or not something is worth merit, and how much effort a worthwhile reply takes.

For example, from his blog:

Jews have featured prominently in significant numbers of prominent metal bands, including Kiss, Anthrax, Biohazard, Death and Guns N Roses. Moreover, in at least some cases, the Jewish backgrounds of metal musicians has impacted on their careers, as in the networks of communal and family support that Anvil drew on during their long commercial decline. Further, there have also been metal bands that have drawn on Jewish sources and themes, including Israeli acts such as Orphaned Land and Salem and a number of more obscure artists in the US.

A serious metal scholar who thinks that Kiss and GnR are metal? I could keep writing, but why bother when I can just go with: ಠ_ಠ ?

But because I know you want one more 'graph:, this is not to suggest that I'm insensitive to his focus in ethnomusicology, it's just that the, you know, musical analysis is lacking, so I don't really give a shit what he thinks about Burzum's cultural context because A) his chosen lens is not one that is particularly interesting to me and B) he has nothing of merit to say about the music, which is the important part of the discussion. QED.

This is important because Burzum is not interesting musically: the act is only interesting because of the mythology surrounding the guy and what he did in the 90's and what he says now, so it's disingenuous to say "oh but the music is sooo interesting we must dive deeper." No. Fuck no. that's just a different sort of justification.

[casecandy]

This is important because Burzum is not interesting musically: the act is only interesting because of the mythology surrounding the guy and what he did in the 90's and what he says now, so it's disingenuous to say "oh but the music is sooo interesting we must dive deeper." No. Fuck no. that's just a different sort of justification.

Now, would you extend that to the entirety of the early Norwegian scene? Because I'd be willing to say that about Mayhem before I was willing to say that about Burzum. In fact I think I probably have said it about Mayhem.

[D.o.S.]

No, because Darkthrone is interesting, and so is Mayhem. And so is the last Burzum record, The Ways of Yore, tbqh. But that's not the argument being presented, which is "I can't put my finger on it but early Burzum is probably better than Skrewdriver." That's some real gripping analysis.

[casecandy]

I think you mean the Skyrim soundtrack?

[D.o.S.]

correct.

[Invisible Man]

Holy fuck watching you two go at this shit endlessly makes for some good reading. Watching the two ILFers who have the poorest grasp of subjectivity shout at one another from positions rooted in experience and absolutism, respectively...makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

This isn't meant as an insult, though it may be taken that way.

[D.o.S.]

Invisible Man likes Skrewdriver.

[popvulture]

the poorest grasp of subjectivity

Readings suggest the ILF atmosphere is inhospitable to objectivity

[dubkitty]

As to where i stand on Billy Corgan, i'm going with "right on top of his bald ol' head."

[Invisible Man]

Invisible Man likes Skrewdriver.

the poorest grasp of subjectivity

Readings suggest the ILF atmosphere is inhospitable to objectivity

Haha oh, I know, I mean that I'm an advocate for subjectivity. These clowns just seem to be arguing about shit as though it is objective. Which I object to. I object to their objective treatment of subjective subjects.

[D.o.S.]

It's no fun to argue if we can all agree that everyone's entitled to their own opinions on pieces, though.

[Invisible Man]

Hence the .

Hilarious to see you two write 'but it is that way'/'no it isn't that way for all eternity. The arguments have no content...they're clearly a very long electronic preamble to your inevitable fucking. ILForeplay.

But...carry on.

[Invisible Man]

Collective Soul are fucking garbage, and Radiohead are not. It's that easy.

Hahaha just read the other thread.

[rustywire]

People who see sexism everywhere are typically the worst sexists.
People who see racism everywhere are typically the worst racists.

People who say things like "people who see sexism/racism everywhere" as if there wasn't actually racism and sexism everywhere are usually the worst racists/sexists, actually.

Wait you actually believe just because a person says X it makes them Y?
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. Good one! Did you mean to be funny or did a happy accident result from saltiness?
Hard to ignore the passive-aggressive accusatory undertones... and the questions you raise.

Where did you learn such silly theory and impractical application?
How much of the real world have you experienced or are you still in school?
I'm curious where you've been and which jobs you've held to have you seeing racism & sexism everywhere... other questions too about childhood & family relationship but that's kinda personal and I prefer not to pry into private lives. Not to judge, either.