Kanye West vs. Bob Ezrin - Best Kanye Beef Of 2016 IMO

[infamousalien]

Also worth noting that, you know, T-Pain's autotune abuse was a thing prior to 808 (and that's just radio stuff but CC is all about that surface level so we'll leave it there). And Kid Cudi is more or less responsible for all of 808's sound, but you know, genius is measured solely around which records CC heard first:

This is now beyond ubiquitous to the point of overuse, but when he released 808s and Heartbreak, it wasn't like anything else I'd heard before.

Note the pronoun.

Yeah Cher's song "Believe" did the auto tune thing way back in 1998.

[Dungus]

How come every time I search ANY music on Youtube, this old lady shows up. Does anyone know who she is? I've never clicked on one of her videos because I absolutely hate her. If you know who she is, tell her I hate her.

[rustywire]

Remember in the early 00's when all those rap songs featured old soul/motown vocal samples? That was him.

+1. He pretty much invented the pitched-up Motown sample thing that's become ubiquitous in modern rap sampling.

Also, he was one of a few 2000s artists (Imogen Heap, Bon Iver) who began to use autotune as an instrument, rather than as pitch correction. This is now beyond ubiquitous to the point of overuse, but when he released 808s and Heartbreak, it wasn't like anything else I'd heard before.

He's stated many times that he prefers listening to rock music over rap, and his samples attest to it; a lot of prog, kraut, and psych on every album, all very well used, too.

One of the best uses of fuzz on vocals ever on "Runaway."

I do think he's a genius, for sure.

First correction: RZA was doing the "chipmunk soul" shit in the mid 90s and the credit goes to him afaik.
Second: *Autotune as an instrument* existed for decades as vocoders and talk boxes. Peter Frampton pmuch made a career of it. Daft Punk ring a bell?
Third: Ye has an ear for loops, arrangements & hooks...and is a passionate guy about it all. If he were as smart as ppl (including him) think he is... he'd abandon the autotune and put out an album of Golddigger-type renaissance. It would be HUGE.

[infamousalien]

First correction: RZA was doing the "chipmunk soul" shit in the mid 90s and the credit goes to him afaik.
Second: *Autotune as an instrument* existed for decades as vocoders and talk boxes. Peter Frampton pmuch made a career of it. Daft Punk ring a bell?
Third: Ye has an ear for loops, arrangements & hooks...and is a passionate guy about it all. If he were as smart as ppl (including him) think he is... he'd abandon the autotune and put out an album of Golddigger-type renaissance. It would be HUGE.

For my part I didn't say he was the first to do the "chipmunk soul" samples I said he was responsible for the early 00's hits by Jay-Z and others. He brought it to the mainstream. (Although I don't think your comment was directed at me, just to clarify haha).
Also auto-tune is not the same thing as a vocoder. http://www.xxlmag.com/news/bloggers/200 ... -nonsense/

[gnomethrone]

"George Bush doesn't care about black people"

That was one of the best moments in the history of television.

[casecandy]

He brought it to the mainstream.

Isn't that what I said...? "Popularized"?

OBVIOUSLY... I knew about Cher and T-Pain. I almost wrote "T-Pain" in the little list of other artists but I thought you would laugh at me for even saying "T-Pain." Ya can't fuckin win...

Kid Cudi isn't responsible for the 808s sound. He was a big part of it but talk about "surface."

[D.o.S.]

Also, he was one of a few 2000s artists (Imogen Heap, Bon Iver) who began to use autotune as an instrument, rather than as pitch correction. This is now beyond ubiquitous to the point of overuse, but when he released 808s and Heartbreak, it wasn't like anything else I'd heard before.

I think you might need these right about now:

[casecandy]

Damn you and your accountability and stuff!

Anyway, I obviously knew about T-Pain. You can't seriously be asserting that I was unaware of T-Pain.

[D.o.S.]

I'm not, really. Just ball busting.

[casecandy]

I'm not, really. Just ball busting.

Consider my balls busted.

[Invisible Man]

still not sure this entire thread isnt just a troll and everyone's playing along...

This is my attitude toward every thread on ILF that doesn't contain the words "rad," "fuzz," and "pedal" in that order.

Still not sure casecandy is serious about anything. You've got to be aware that D.o.S. is making a second career out of baiting you. You always bite. And it's exquisite.

Anyway, Kanye. It's not for me.

[rustywire]

First correction: RZA was doing the "chipmunk soul" shit in the mid 90s and the credit goes to him afaik.
Second: *Autotune as an instrument* existed for decades as vocoders and talk boxes. Peter Frampton pmuch made a career of it. Daft Punk ring a bell?
Third: Ye has an ear for loops, arrangements & hooks...and is a passionate guy about it all. If he were as smart as ppl (including him) think he is... he'd abandon the autotune and put out an album of Golddigger-type renaissance. It would be HUGE.

For my part I didn't say he was the first to do the "chipmunk soul" samples I said he was responsible for the early 00's hits by Jay-Z and others. He brought it to the mainstream. (Although I don't think your comment was directed at me, just to clarify haha).
Also auto-tune is not the same thing as a vocoder. http://www.xxlmag.com/news/bloggers/200 ... -nonsense/

Yeah the corrections are for cc's hubristic proclamations & I'm still [wtf!] implying RZA aint mainstream.
ATTN cc: Holla at Bobby Digital. In stereo
Also I'm aware of the difference in hardware vocoders, talk boxes...harmonizers...& software like autotune...my point was to pump them brakes at gushes of *groundbreaking technique* in producing a distinct style of sustained, robotic-harmonized-into-flourishes-of-melisma type vox as a focal point, crutch, or gimmick. IMO its as dated as gated 80s snares w/chorus on everything...only this style's pushback cant seem to come soon enough. If/when Kanye puts out an album with conspicuous absence of autotune the mainstream will declare [it] dead, because he's like a living meme slideshow & treated as if he invented hiphop and arthouse theatrics. He's just good at it...but I have never been a fan of his vox & delivery. Still, he's good at it.

Fav song on the new album is Real Friends. Autotune & all, but I could really do without it

[D.o.S.]

this is now a rustywire appreciation thread.

[infamousalien]

Yeah the corrections are for cc's hubristic proclamations & I'm still [wtf!] implying RZA aint mainstream.
ATTN cc: Holla at Bobby Digital. In stereo

I think RZA has more talent in his pinky than Kanye has in his whole body. That said suburban white girls don't bump Wu-Tang like they do Kanye. I also saw 808 and Heartbreaks for sale at Whole Foods. Couldn't imagine (and don't want to ) Wu-Tang albums being sold there.

[D.o.S.]

I got, myself a 40

I got, myself a shorty