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I'd be a liar if I said 24 Hour Party People didn't introduce me to Joy Division.

However, circumstance made me love them.

That's because if you just give someone a Joy Division record devoid of context they'll be like "fuck you this is trash".

because it is.

Okay I accept your judgment on my earlier statement re: labels. I was not drinking bleach. In truth, I stayed up until three in the morning watching The Green Inferno on Potlocker.me and forgot my Cinnamon Toast Crunch before heading out. I have since eaten a thing of grocery store chicken strips and am feeling much better.

Joy Division is not trash, but context does add to the music, and this is almost certainly true of most artists.

Iommic Pope wrote: All of Lamb of God's albums sound like shit except for their Burn the Priest stuff.

I've worked with Machine, who produced a couple of their albums. Guy's a wank.

Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of his sound. I saw him on the LoG doco.
Wank is definitely one word you could use to describe him.
Who's your favourite person you've worked with?

80's Thrash. For some reason, highly skilled musicians decided to erase all the midrange from a midrange instrument. Way to ruin a decade of music. Bunch of crotch-stuffing cockwhiffs.

Good thrash always had some mids in there some how. Slayer is chock full of mids. And that clonky 80s thrash bass sound that had a whole heap of mids filled out the scooped guitars.

- I love a lot of that production. There was some shit too, don't get me wrong.

Dungus wrote:Guy's a wank.

Is he fun for a while and then you're just ashamed of yourself for it?

Also I'm with gorith on the thrashing. There's good and bad in there.

Also, can someone who is into mastering tell me why some songs sound better when I see the video on tv than the album?
I'm guessing different frequencies are emphasised on film clip mixes, to be more broad for Rv speaker types, but it sounds more vibrant somehow.
At least on my tv it does.
Also I notice things that aren't necessarily apparent on the record, what's that about?

Stuff is probably bricked for tv, so you're getting a whole bunch of quieter sounds popping out.

This is baseless speculation mind you.

goroth wrote:Good thrash always had some mids in there some how. Slayer is chock full of mids. And that clonky 80s thrash bass sound that had a whole heap of mids filled out the scooped guitars.

- I love a lot of that production. There was some shit too, don't get me wrong.

See this is what I hated, so many "heavy" bands did not sound heavy to me, even albums I loved like Arise and Among the living sound wimpy compared to most 60's/70's albums.. as a beginning bassist that was frustrating because bass on a lot of those albums had what I called a tin-foilly sound… I wanted to be very much the opposite

While I do love you, and especially your socks, bass is all about the clonk at around 600 Hz.

Arise - I think the production was appropriate for what it was, and it is the perfect example of the Scott Burns sound. But yeah, that sound is kinda crap and it's no wonder he's not producing any more.
The good thrash production - I love the way the bass sits in for example Megadeth's Hangar 18, or Sacred Reich's Surf Nicaragua. I like it even more in a modern context - for example the bass in Iron Reagan's latest album is one of my all time favourite bass sounds. But then you have bands like Metallica, Anthrax, most stuff Scott Burns produced etc where the bass has been sent to the same EQ hell as the mids in the guitars.

Iron Reagan fucking rule.

Beneath the Remains is disappointing production-wise, to me.
Arise is ok.

I guess that makes sense about the TV mixes.
Plus I listen to so much Om now, my ears are unaccustomed to treble and stuff.

I'm pretty desensitized to this because of 80's hardcore, but I fucking hate it when modern bands try and cop that sound. Turnstile in particular (I dislike them for more than that but still, fucking 311 for hardcore kids). The production on their first EP/album sounds like a shit Judge B side.

Unrelated, Iron Reagan is the best fucking band