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Of course Brand New have lyrics about Morrissey.

They suck. They influenced shitty bands and shitty people and the best thing about them is that album cover everyone rips off.

There are many better English bands from the 80's that have already been mentioned in this thread.

casecandy wrote:The Smiths do not suck. They're the best British rock band of the 1980s, possibly the best band of the '80s period. Find a band more influential to the development of indie rock songwriting, lyrics, and potentially vocals, and I'll give you a box of cookies. Good cookies. Leclerc maple cookies from Quebec LOL. If there's a band who did ennui better, or heartbreak better, I don't know them. And the best thing is how smooth they managed to make being morose look. So again, there's a huge chunk of the aesthetic of a lot of modern music. I hate Morrissey's guts but I'm not silly enough to ever think he sucks.

"And I'm sick of your tattoos
And the way you always criticize The Smiths
And Morrissey"
— Brand New, "Mixtape," 2001

See this post:

D.o.S. wrote:I'm not trying to place them into a reduced corner of a history-of-music context in an effort to justify my feelings about another band. The smiths just fucking suck.

Whatever guys. Music is subjective. But if you try and make it anything more than subjective taste, I'm right on this one. The world is with me this time. Not even fazed.

Like who can't appreciate Johnny Marr's guitar playing...?

I am very concerned about where every band rates in the world's great encyclopedia of rock music.

Very. Concerned.

Isn't not liking The Smiths subjective? Or am I really missing something with my own opinion here.

D.o.S. wrote:I am very concerned about where every band rates in the world's great encyclopedia of rock music.

Very. Concerned.

Yes. I am. That's my thang. It's how I do.

Strange Tales wrote:Isn't not liking The Smiths subjective? Or am I really missing something with my own opinion here.

It is 100% subjective. If I implied otherwise it was my bad.

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What I do: I like the band, therefore they are the greatest band of all time. How fucking dare you not like them?! Infidel!

What D.o.S. does: I don't like the band, so obviously they did nothing of any real importance ever and you're a pleb for thinking otherwise.

maybe we should start sticking to this line of thinking:

Its hugs all around. Case and I are just about as heads and tails in taste as is humanly possible.

As my high school friend Sean used to say about various bands...."They're a good band, but I don't like them."

I think we can all learn a thing or two from Sean, that drunken Irish bastard.

Strange Tales wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:The smiths just fucking suck.

ya I really want a 'fuck the smiths' tattoo

casecandy wrote:The Smiths do not suck. They're the best British rock band of the 1980s, possibly the best band of the '80s period.

The fuck you talkin about? Go listen to Killing Joke.

casecandy wrote:Find a band more influential to the development of indie rock songwriting, lyrics, and potentially vocals, and I'll give you a box of cookies.

Ugly Nora wrote:As my high school friend Sean used to say about various bands...."They're a good band, but I don't like them."

I think we can all learn a thing or two from Sean, that drunken Irish bastard.

+1

This is what I meant: there's your subjective opinion, and then there's the band's influence and importance and musical skill and yada yada yada

Take for example, The Beatles, who are overall much less polarizing than The Smiths

If you say, "Ugh, I hate The Beatles" or "I personally never liked The Beatles" or "The Beatles aren't really on my radar," then it's like, okay! That's your God-given right as a consumer and music listener. Dislike away

But if you say, "The Beatles weren't important to music in the 1960s" or "The Beatles had no discernible influence whatever on the bands that followed them" or "There is really no reason that people might consider The Beatles an important band," you've entered questionable territory

There's a difference between how good something is, and how much you liked it; that's why AbsolutePunk.net reviews allow for something called "Reviewer Tilt," so that you can give points to an album you know probably isn't very good, even though you loved it, personally

It's why I personally give Jurassic World ★★★★★, when I know in terms of filmmaking and screenwriting it was more of a ★★★½ movie

This Heat were around in the 80s right? This Heat is a better british band than The Smiths

Strange Tales wrote:This Heat were around in the 80s right? This Heat is a better british band than The Smiths

Oxymoron.

Nah, I feel you. I don't quite agree with you but there were so many good band in the UK in the '80s.

Anything Julian Cope did was gold, whether solo on albums like World Shut Your Mouth and Fried or with Teardrop Explodes. Wire was amazing, Pink Flag especially. The Fall was too prolific but if you sort out the stuff you like from the stuff you don't, you realize they were, as Stephen Malkmus of Pavement noted, "a force to be reckoned with." Hex Induction Hour is so fucking good. The Cure was amazing too. Although I like the later Cure stuff better. Bloodflowers came out in 1996 and I think it's their best. And anything from the Manchester scene, Happy Mondays, Joy Division/New Order. That movie 24 Hour Party People, I watched like fifty times in high school.

All of that is secondary to The Smiths, though. A close second, but a second nonetheless.

Only ILF could take a thread about Pantera and turn it into a thread about the Smiths.

Fuck you guys.
Seriously.

Can someone who isn't on mobile please spam this place up with Heresy?