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Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:05 pm
by Uncle Grandfather
Been Playing through some phasers cause I was interested, the prophecysound systems pi-phase should be on your radar. Mu-tron bi-phase too but I get the impression you don't wanna spend that much and you also might limit yourself with a pedalboard making the bi-phase unrealistic...or the perfect platform to stack other pedals on :lol:

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:10 pm
by lordgalvar
oscillofuzz wrote: I've considered getting a Faye Sing B before it was discontinued/before I got the Wombtone, but ultimately decided that for ring-mod-esque sounds I want an actual ring modulator, not a fast phaser, and the Wombtone can do fixed/manual phasing as well, and those were the main attractions.
Damn straight. I was so pissed when I tried that crystal dagger. Ring mod my ass, fast, shitty phaser is more like it.

I will say this about the infanem: like jwar said, it isn't lush and it is kinda background to your guitar playing except at the faster settings (which kinda sound silly a bit to me). I like that the slower settings are more subtle and just give a bit of movement to my boring power chord riffs, but I wouldn't call it the best sounding phaser out there by far. I do have a lot of fun with it and it is nice to have all the features in such a small box (esp. the separate depth controls) but it really isn't "over-the-top" until you get to the faster speeds. It is a good phaser that doesn't overwhelm you.

The Moog to me sounds awesome.

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:15 pm
by Chankgeez
Uncle Grandfather wrote:Been Playing through some phasers cause I was interested, the prophecysound systems pi-phase should be on your radar. Mu-tron bi-phase too but I get the impression you don't wanna spend that much and you also might limit yourself with a pedalboard making the bi-phase unrealistic...or the perfect platform to stack other pedals on :lol:
Chankgeez wrote: Maybe I should just get a Bi-Phase or Pi-Phase.
I had a Bi-Phase. It definitely does what I want, but, yeah, don't wanna spend that kinda money. Might have to.

Same with the Pi-Phase. Interested though.

I also might wait until Mu-FX reissues the Bi-Phase and hear what people say about it.
oscillofuzz wrote: Joel also told me the Mk 2 goes much slower than the 1, but I can't compare them to each other, or the Mk 2 to the Moog, until it gets here. Mk 1 doesn't really go as slow as the Moog but it does have tap tempo and presets and since I mess with my settings a lot those are also great features to have.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Moog/Wombtone comparison. :snax:

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:41 pm
by lordgalvar
Chankgeez wrote: I also might wait until Mu-FX reissues the Bi-Phase and hear what people say about it.
Not to take it off topic, but I've been checking out those Mu-FX reissues. That octave divider looks nice. It would be nice if they reissued the bi-phase.

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:48 pm
by Jwar
I know! I'd buy one in a heart beat! Fuck.

I want a Roland Jet Phaser too. So good.

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:54 pm
by Chankgeez
lordgalvar wrote:
Chankgeez wrote: I also might wait until Mu-FX reissues the Bi-Phase and hear what people say about it.
Not to take it off topic, but I've been checking out those Mu-FX reissues. That octave divider looks nice. It would be nice if they reissued the bi-phase.
I started a Mu-Tron/Mu-FX appreciation thread a while back.

I've read somewhere (Facebook?) that Beigel plans on redoing the Bi-Phase. Who knows when that'll be?

(Jet Phaser'd be nice too.)

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:04 pm
by lordgalvar
jwar wrote:I know! I'd buy one in a heart beat! Fuck.

I want a Roland Jet Phaser too. So good.
I see them every now and again on yahoo.jp. I'll keep an eye out for a good price on one it anyone wants one. I know some used stuff slips through the cracks over there sometimes.

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:24 pm
by rustywire
BTW a phaser's fundamental sound is greatly affected by the number of stages, however a less glorified yet equally deterministic factor is how deep the phased signal can shift, typically represented in degrees.
IIRC the ubiquitous (and majority of) analog phasers on the market go a full 360` (a full cycle's shift) with few approaching 720` at max.
Greater the shift, the more intense and vocally pronounced the sound (and range of vowels) produces as the comb-filtered signal is swept.
If you can manually sweep and freeze it, the hollow textures and timbres that manifest are like heavenly humming otherworldly beings...or howling, moaning, growling poltergeists :love:

The Effectrode's lfo settings sweep somewhere betwen 45-50s, and can reach nearly 720` ...so while it is *only* a 4-stage phaser, it's capable of sounding more intense at minimum resonance (feedback) settings than many 6, 8...even 12 stage phasers, at higher feedback settings. If there were a Mix/blend control and a master Volume it would be even better, but it's legit unity gain and the tube buffer is top-shelf. Every fuzz I've had sounds bigger in front. Also some really interesting stuff happens when you roll tubes; which affects the frequency response of the buffer and each stage's filter.
v1 Telefunken ecc83, v2 Sylvania JAN-12at7wc, v3 Mullard IEC ecc81 has been my preferred recipe for 2015 after using Raytheon, TUNG SOL & the Mullard for years. It's almost like having a new phaser. Almost :hobbes:
Definitely worth the cost of admission.

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:38 pm
by Chankgeez
That's if I can even find an Effectrode, rustywire. I might as well save up for an Analogue Systems Frequency Shifter. :D

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:47 pm
by rustywire
IMO the best version is the v2 (PM-2C) Deluxe with knobs marked Wave, Speed, Resonance and the EXP/CV control jack.
I saw 2 on ebay in the past year. 1 Fetched over 700, the other ended well under 500.
The v1 (PM-2B) is considerably different: http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guita ... uxe-162396

Edit: Interesting stuff http://www.effectrode.com/phaseomatic/p ... -in-depth/

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 11:51 pm
by Jero
The ph2 suggestion was meant as a total joke. They don't get that slow in the least.

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 12:04 am
by The Mad Titan
rustywire wrote:BTW a phaser's fundamental sound is greatly affected by the number of stages, however a less glorified yet equally deterministic factor is how deep the phased signal can shift, typically represented in degrees.
IIRC the ubiquitous (and majority of) analog phasers on the market go a full 360` (a full cycle's shift) with few approaching 720` at max.
Greater the shift, the more intense and vocally pronounced the sound (and range of vowels) produces as the comb-filtered signal is swept.
If you can manually sweep and freeze it, the hollow textures and timbres that manifest are like heavenly humming otherworldly beings...or howling, moaning, growling poltergeists :love:

The Effectrode's lfo settings sweep somewhere betwen 45-50s, and can reach nearly 720` ...so while it is *only* a 4-stage phaser, it's capable of sounding more intense at minimum resonance (feedback) settings than many 6, 8...even 12 stage phasers, at higher feedback settings. If there were a Mix/blend control and a master Volume it would be even better, but it's legit unity gain and the tube buffer is top-shelf. Every fuzz I've had sounds bigger in front. Also some really interesting stuff happens when you roll tubes; which affects the frequency response of the buffer and each stage's filter.
v1 Telefunken ecc83, v2 Sylvania JAN-12at7wc, v3 Mullard IEC ecc81 has been my preferred recipe for 2015 after using Raytheon, TUNG SOL & the Mullard for years. It's almost like having a new phaser. Almost :hobbes:
Definitely worth the cost of admission.
I decided on the 3ms Phaseur Fleur above both the Moog and Maxon PH-350. The Fleur is a 6 stage phaser with 1080 degrees of phase shift. It doesn't sound detached, or like it's in the background (unless you lower the mix control a bunch). It totally envelopes your input signal in a way that few phasers I've heard do.

I'd love to hear the Effectrode in person. There pedals are all :love: :love: :love:

I really want one of their vibes.

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 1:08 am
by space6oy
BEZ FX street sweeper goes as slowly as you can move your foot...

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Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 1:56 am
by rustywire
PH-350 :love: Super underrated pedal, if only it had the expression/cv sweep option.
Still dreaming about a colorful, big box Maxon board :snax:

Re: slowest phaser (that's not a Whetstone)?

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 4:31 am
by sonidero
Yeah BEZ, didn't you have one??? Get a Univibe...