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I have transcended beyond listening to music now and only listen to pure sinewaves. And manowar.

Kanye is the new rock star! He's got the crazy personality and I really think he does some new, out there, influential stuff. Even though he is considered mainstream.

I'm just here for the Lisa Loeb reference.

I'm probably alone in generally disliking large personalities in music - or at least where they seem to overshadow the music itself.

A lot of people talk about the old school rock stars, but independent of their "edge" or "look" or whatever a lot of that music was garbage. Sure, some of it is awesome, but a lot of it was standing on legs that had nothing to do with music.

It may be a numbers game - there is simply more music now than at any other point in history - but I think the best music in almost every style can be found in the present.

jfrey wrote:It may be a numbers game - there is simply more music now than at any other point in history - but I think the best music in almost every style can be found in the present.

I disagree with the notion of "the best" in music on the basis that applying such terminology to living art is pretty useless, but agree that great music of almost every style can be found in the present.

A cool thing is that subculture is watered out. Not that subcultures are a bad thing, but there was a point in time when you almost had to be punk to listen to/hear about punk. If you were a hippie, you "had" to listen to psych rock. Today anybody can listen to everything, regardless of what style they fit into as persons. Maybe. I didn't live in the past, so this is all hearsay.

Eivind August wrote:A cool thing is that subculture is watered out. Not that subcultures are a bad thing, but there was a point in time when you almost had to be punk to listen to/hear about punk. If you were a hippie, you "had" to listen to psych rock. Today anybody can listen to everything, regardless of what style they fit into as persons. Maybe. I didn't live in the past, so this is all hearsay.

I am half in agreement with you here - on the one hand, when I was living in that hardcore punk/grindcore/death metal bubble in the 90's that was all I heard/knew - it's awesome to discover new things, new sounds and that there are less barriers up, mostly lifted by the internet and the ability to download an entire scene in a single torrent.....

However I'm also really not cool with ability to just be a casual fucking tourist wherever you want and no need to have no frame of reference to align yourself with something with no effort whatsoever. I'm sure this sounds totally elitist of me but it's now possible to become an instant internet expert at 20 years old about black metal, noise wall, krautrock whatever, and while this is more a beef about the inherent death of physical media and the ability to torrent yourself some knowledge, it's still kind of fucking false. It's unfortunate that with the watering out of a subculture you also get the watering down.

Yet I mean there are these walls up around the subculture, it's just that most people don't see them. But they're there. Talk to some metal heads. Most of them fucking hate how things have become (lol I just heard Immortal last month so funneee ha ha ha) . Or with "crasher crusties" or whatever they're calling themselves this week - try walking into their fair trade vegan cookie coffee shop stomping grounds and ask what bands to like. They'll probably glare at you and not tell you your almond milk latte isn't 100% vegan.

... because noise wall is so fucking deep.

There is, however, definitely something to be said for context, but I'm not sure that it should be any concern of mine as to whether or not someone who's jockriding Swans now has ever listened to Greed, you know?

D.o.S. wrote:... because noise wall is so fucking deep.

There is, however, definitely something to be said for context, but I'm not sure that it should be any concern of mine as to whether or not someone who's jockriding Swans now has ever listened to Greed, you know?

I guess it's context - I fucking love HNW....

I strive with every fibre of my being to not care what others do in any way shape or form unless it's directly affecting my life....

However I am not always successfull in this.

But I've cut out going to bars, shows or essentially heading downtown to try and minimize this

Ignorance is bliss.....

Me too, but "no ideas, no change, no development, no entertainment, no remorse" isn't exactly the most difficult concept to grasp.

Depth in simplicity, maybe.

I'm on both sides of the fence with that one too. It does play out in real world ways that can be kind of annoying: if you spend years working on building a 'scene' (I hate that word) that sort of defines itself on what is and isn't okay, and tourists and falses start showing up with no idea or more often no care of the rules it can be pretty goddamn lame and push the people that created it out.

I remember a few years ago when suddenly every hardcore bro was listening to Tragedy, and some of them had a new band that hassled me to be put on a house show with crustier bands. So I did, and they acted like complete jerkoffs the whole time they were there, complaining about all the 'ugly lesbians' (whose house it was) and stuff. It's like...that's what I moved away from more big league bro hardcore to get away from, you know? It sucks when that shit shows up when you've been trying to create spaces away from it.

And as someone who's been doing doom for a long arse time, all the people who were in indie bands last year thinking they can 'make it' ripping off Red Fang or dorks who care more about their reissues of vintage gear than writing a decent bloody riff are a huge bummer. But at the same time there's more people going to shows than I can remember, and as a consequence more cool stuff happening and more bands coming here and more nice people to talk to showing up.

sorry, what I meant to say was HEAVY METAL OR NO METAL AT ALL. WIMPS AND POSEURS LEAVE THE HALL.

retinal orbita wrote:Ignorance is set adrift on memory bliss.....

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Hey JWAR, I was in Leesville LA which they call Sleazeville and guess which room I stayed in?.?
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